shen-cl VS learning-lisp

> but what sub-languages are we talking about? I only see a library with helper functions and macros. That's Common Lisp, not a derivative.

If your language is a DSL factory, the line between your language and DSLs naturally blurs. If https://github.com/y2q-actionman/with-c-syntax exists, does it mean that C is a DSL of Common Lisp, given a good enough standard library? If https://github.com/calyau/maxima exists, does it mean that Maxima is just Common Lisp with more maths? If https://github.com/Shen-Language/shen-cl and https://github.com/coalton-lang/coalton/ exist, does it mean that Shen and Coalton are just a fancy way of writing Common Lisp in an immutable way? If https://github.com/froggey/Iota exists and we can play sdlquake on Mezzano, does it mean that LLVM-IR is a dialect of Common Lisp?

The above series of questions is not meant to be fully credible - it's meant to be food for thought.

Working with Shen (CL implementation) and trying to get the simplest interop example possible to work.

It's kind of a long story but really what I'm trying to do is write my backend in Shen which is another programming language which was written as a layer on top of common lisp, but unfortunately does not have native support for web (yet), sooo unfortunately I have to write the server in cl and then use the shen-cl interop to launch from shen.

I have started spending most of my time programming again after a long hiatus where I was primarily focused on business. One of the things I am picking up in the process is learning Common Lisp. I am tracking my progress here[1]

Not for any particular reason, but because I think Lisp Macro/Metaprogramming is a fundamentally different thing that can only help expand my mind.

1: https://github.com/keeb/learning-lisp