rules_python VS VFSForGit

What's SV?

I honestly don't know why anyone would use that... as in what does Bazel do better than virtually anything else that can provide this functionality. But, I used to be an ops engineer in a big company which wanted everything to be Maven, regardless of whether it does it well or not. So we built and deployed with Maven a lot of weird and unrelated stuff.

Not impossible, but not anything I'd advise anyone to do on their free time.

Specifically wrt' the link you posted, if you look here: https://github.com/bazelbuild/rules_python/blob/main/python/... it says that only pure Python wheels are supported, but that's also a lie, they don't support half of the functionality of pure Python wheels.

So, definitely not worth using, since lots of functionality is simply not there.

Regarding bazel, the rules_python has a py_wheel rule that helps you creating wheels that you can upload to pypi (https://github.com/bazelbuild/rules_python/blob/52e14b78307a...).

If you want to see an approach of bazel to pypi taken a bit to the extreme you can have a look at tensorflow on GitHub to see how they do it. They don't use the above-mentioned building rule because I think their build step is quite complicated (C/C++ stuff, Vida/ROCm support, python bindings, and multiOS support all in one before you can publish to pypi).

Python support in Bazel now looks more promising with `rules_python`: https://github.com/bazelbuild/rules_python

`rules_go` to my understanding is great too.

Over years, Bazel is not as opinionated as before, mostly because adoptions in different orgs force it to be so.

I have personally run converted build systems to Bazel, and use it for personal projects as well.

Bazel 1.0 was released in October 2019. If you were using it "a few years ago", I'm guessing you were using a pre-1.0 version. There's not some cutoff where Bazel magically got easy to use, and I still wouldn't describe it as "easy", but the problem it solves is hard to solve well, and the community support for Bazel has gotten a lot better over the past years.

https://github.com/bazelbuild/rules_python

The difficulty and complexity of using Bazel is highly variable. I've seen some projects where using Bazel is just super simple and easy, and some projects where using Bazel required a massive effort (custom toolchains and the like).

load("@bazel_tools//tools/build_defs/repo:http.bzl", "http_archive") #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Python #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ # enable python rules http_archive( name = "rules_python", url = "https://github.com/bazelbuild/rules_python/releases/download/0.2.0/rules_python-0.2.0.tar.gz", sha256 = "778197e26c5fbeb07ac2a2c5ae405b30f6cb7ad1f5510ea6fdac03bded96cc6f", )

It's not only Windows that uses Git at Microsoft, but Sharepoint and Office (which includes the on-prem version of SharePoint). In terms of repo size Windows and Office are similar. I was part of the team that migrated Sharepoint from a Perforce clone to Git and helped build the tooling to allow Office to move as well. VFS for Git [1] and Scalar [2] are really good pieces of software.

[1] - https://github.com/microsoft/VFSForGit

[2] - https://github.com/microsoft/scalar

Congratulations! That means you basically figured out how the clone procedure works and found a way to do so just in a partial way (also in an unsafe way). But it is a cool idea, nonetheless.

Also check out the Scalar [1] project and its predecessor, GVFS [2], both from Microsoft to manage their monorepo via a VFS layer.

[1]: https://github.com/microsoft/scalar

[2]: https://github.com/microsoft/VFSForGit

VFS for Git is still Open Source: https://github.com/microsoft/VFSForGit

Microsoft's blog posts have indicated a move to use something as close to off-the-shelf git as possible, though. They say they've stopped using VFS much and are instead more often relying on sparse checkouts. They've upstreamed a lot of patches into git itself, and maintain their own git fork but the fork distance is generally shrinking as those patches upstream.

https://github.com/microsoft/VFSForGit

better than it used to, with the caveat that git in particular is not and has never claimed to be good at versioning blobs.

Oh dear you're not going to like this.

It’s virtualised file system: https://github.com/microsoft/VFSForGit, only downloads what you actually use. Same thing in every large company, but different implementations.

This is where something like VFSForGit[0] helps out. Instead of cloning the entire repo, it creates a virtual file system and fetches objects on demand. MSFT uses it internally for the Windows source tree (which now exceeds 300GB).

[0]: https://github.com/microsoft/VFSForGit

There's also a performance consideration. Not excluding /bin/ or /obj/ folders means dependencies are being tracked as well, and sometimes dependencies themselves are bigger than the program's source code itself. This is commonly the case with node projects, as the node_modules folder can balloon to hundreds of megabytes. They should never be tracked in git due to the nature of how git's internal database works. For e.g. if you delete a dependency because it's no longer needed, you can never fully reclaim that disk space (at least for the master branch) as git will need to keep the binary data stored in its internal tracking database because a previous commit in the master branch has captured the data. As you make more branches, git needs to store the data required to reconstruct your repo to a different state when you switch branches. When a branch has changes measured in the kilobytes, check out is very manageable, but when the differences balloon to many MBs due to the presence of heavy binary files, then checkout between different branches/commits can get very slow. Though, this happens anyway when source code data eventually reaches a certain threshold, beyond the hundreds of megabytes, it's made unnecessarily worse by including any binary files. It's one of the reasons Microsoft created VFS for git: https://github.com/microsoft/VFSForGit.

You mean like VFSforGit? Or the successor for that called Scalar? This has been a solved problem. Microsoft moved their entire Windows codebase to git. There have been a ton of huge improvements to performance as a result of that. And the above two plugins are easily better ways to deal with what you're referring to without resulting to dead tech.