rules_docker VS rules_nodejs

My company uses Bazel's rules docker to build our images: https://github.com/bazelbuild/rules_docker

They're pretty great and have a lot of the caching and parallelism benefits mentioned in the post for free out of the box, along with determinism (which Docker files don't have because you can run arbitrary shell commands). Our backend stack is also built with Bazel so we get a nice tight integration to build our images that is pretty straightforward.

We've also built some nice tooling around this to automatically put our maven dependencies into different layers using Bazel query and buildozer. Since maven deps don't change often we get a lot of nice caching advantages.

I've seen rules_docker is looking for maintainers here ; Does this mean it doesn't use it that much internally? If so, how do they go about using other services e.g docker-compose for running external services e.g database?

Did you mean this one? https://github.com/bazelbuild/rules_docker

I was very interested in this Bazel-based way of building containers but its README page says "it is on minimal life support," which does not inspire confidence. How's your experience using it?

As others have said docker in docker or a separate build server are your best options using docker. You can also use Bazel (which doesn't require the docker daemon) to build docker images which will build deterministic images every time due to not incorporating the timestamp: https://github.com/bazelbuild/rules_docker

There's some BazelCon talks about people doing similar stuff but not actually open sourcing their code.

P.S. if you use rules_docker please feel free to open a PR to add your company to our README: https://github.com/bazelbuild/rules_docker/#adopters

The docker utility isn't the only way to build and run containers. There's also cri-o, podman, and crun among others for running containers. For building there is podman again, Jib for Java applications, and bazel plus many others. The docker approach of using a client to connect to a daemon required to run as root has turned out to be slow and insecure.

During the last 3 years I've had the pleasure of using Bazel's rules_docker to generate all my container images (https://github.com/bazelbuild/rules_docker).

In a nutshell, rules_docker is a set of build rules for the Bazel build system (https://bazel.build). What's pretty nice about these rules is that they don't rely on a Docker daemon. They are rules that directly construct image tarballs that you can either load into your local Docker daemon or push to a registry.

What's nice about this approach is that image generation works on any operating system. For example, even on a Mac or Windows system that doesn't have Docker installed, you're able to build Linux containers. They are also fully reproducible, meaning that you often don't need to upload layers when pushing (either because they haven't changed, or because some colleague/CI job already pushed those layers).

I guess rules_docker works fine for a variety of programming languages. I've mainly used it with Go, though.

Bazel is just the infrastructure to run webpack. You'd need to do some work to make webpack's state be cacheable (I dunno what options and such it has for this, maybe it's already there as an option). But if you're looking at Bazel for JS work you probably just want to use the existing and maintained rules for it: https://github.com/bazelbuild/rules_nodejs It's been a while since I last looked at it but I don't think it has any caching for webpack.

> Is Bazel designed in a way that make it impossible to do JS monorepos well?

Not impossible, but you really need to go all in with it and follow its conventions and practices. See this for the main docs: https://github.com/bazelbuild/rules_nodejs

One thing in particular that doesn't work well in the bazel world is doing your own stuff outside its BUILD.bazel files. If you're used to just npm install and jam some code in your package.json scripts... that doesn't usually work in the bazel world. If you have a lot of logic or tools in your build you'll likely need to go all in and make bazel starlark rules or macros that recreate that logic. Nothing is impossible, but expect to spend time getting up to speed and getting things working the bazel way.

I am using Bazel with rules_nodejs and Webpack. There's an example here.

It is probably possible to build Angular with ts_project(), however you'd need to manually manage the compiler (Angular has its own) and tsconfig (Angular needs special options). ts_library() does a lot of this for you, so I think it would probably be easier to use that than to force yourself onto ts_project(). The canonical Angular example uses ts_library() FWIW: https://github.com/bazelbuild/rules_nodejs/tree/master/examples/angular

https://github.com/bazelbuild/rules_nodejs

Nx is widely used in the Angular community. The Angular team at Google had plans to add Bazel support to the Angular CLI for many years, but the plans didn't materialize. The key folks (e.g., Alex Eagle) working on the effort left Google. Google employees no longer maintain rules_nodejs.