redux-xstate-poc VS redux-essentials-example-app

Very doable, but not the most ideal syntax, since `createSlice` is focused on "here's an action / thing that happened, here's the reducer that handles that".

On the flip side, you can also use XState state machines as Redux reducers. A state machine is, after all, a function that takes a current state value + some event, and returns a new state.... exactly the same as a reducer function!

David and I have been saying for a while that we'd like to have a more official integration between XState and Redux. A while back, Matt Pocock put together an proof of concept for what a `createXStateSlice` might look like [1]. I actually sat down with David a couple weeks ago and we did some further design discussions about the possibility of using the `@xstate/fsm` package (a smaller version of XState's logic) as a starting point, and generating RTK actions based on that. No code yet, but it seems feasible.

[0] https://dev.to/davidkpiano/redux-is-half-of-a-pattern-1-2-1h...

[1] https://github.com/mattpocock/redux-xstate-poc

Fun fact: one of the XState devs did a proof-of-concept showing how to use XState state machines as Redux reducers and integrate the side effects handling as a middleware:

https://github.com/mattpocock/redux-xstate-poc

We'd like to work together to turn that into a more official integration sometime soon.

One of the XState devs recently posted https://github.com/mattpocock/redux-xstate-poc , an example of how you can integrate XState into a Redux app for use as a Redux slice reducer + side effects middleware

You're right, it is related. But I think that Flux- and ELM-like architectures are making it even worse by forcing any "external" interaction to became the gap. Look how they suffer when it comes to executing any async operation like network request. Initially we have this relatively simple framework, but then we had to add "Middleware" to just run network request (which is a good example of the Remainder issue). I love the idea behind these architectures, which makes logic more predictable and testing way easier. I even was using them by myself. But now they looks like something turned inside out for me. I believe we could do better. I'm finishing my proposal right now. It will take couple more weeks to edit and translate it, but soon I'll show what I mean.

Hi, I maintain Redux and wrote most of our docs (including our current tutorials).

Can you give some details on which parts of our docs you feel are "incomprehensible"? I'm curious which specific pages you've been looking at, and for what purpose.

We've tried to organize the docs using the "Documentation System" approach described at [0]: Tutorials for teaching step-by-step, Explanations and How-To guides for specific topics, and References for API details.

Generally we want people to go through our "Redux Essentials" tutorial [1] as the primary way to learn how to use Redux correctly. It teaches "modern Redux" patterns with Redux Toolkit as the standard way to write Redux logic (including RTK Query for handling data fetching), and React-Redux hooks in components.

I'm genuinely interested in feedback on what explanations aren't clear and how we can improve things!

[0] https://documentation.divio.com/

[1] https://redux.js.org/tutorials/essentials/part-1-overview-co...

https://redux.js.org/tutorials/essentials/part-1-overview-concepts (covers how to use Redux Toolkit and RTK Query)