pib
htmf
pib | htmf | |
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7 | 4 | |
924 | 21 | |
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0.0 | 7.6 | |
over 1 year ago | 5 months ago | |
PHP | JavaScript | |
Apache License 2.0 | MIT License |
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pib
- Show HN: ClassroomIO – an in-browser programming environment for education
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Things you forgot because of React
I'd say don't give anyone bad ideas, but we are too late:
https://github.com/oraoto/pib
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Is PHP something you will be using in 2023? If so why?
People are weird though - so it IS also technically possible now to compile php to wasm if you really want to write some frontend code in php e.g. https://github.com/oraoto/pib - I'm not sure if that's a joke, intellectual exercise just for fun, or mad php people are really doing that for reals, I'd never use it in reality of course.
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compiling PHP8+ for WASM
Here's an issue i opened a few weeks ago in their repository asking for help but unfortunately nobody replied yet: https://github.com/oraoto/pib/issues/65
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Execute PHP in vscode.dev?
Well, it depends on the extensions you're using. Since vscode.dev only runs locally in your browser, all extensions are limited to declarative things like snippets, themes etc. or else they have to use JavaScript or WebAssembly to run. Many extensions (I assume the ones for PHP as well) require platform-native executables, and as such can't currently run the browser. Interestingly, I found this from a quick internet search, but I don't know if any VSCode extension is making use of it yet.
- Run a web server in a web page
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Php Port?
Maybe something like this, then? https://github.com/oraoto/pib
htmf
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HTML First – Six principles for building simple, maintainable, web software
I've successfully used this pattern (HTMX hypermedia style) to create an offline-first web app SPA[^1]. One of the pages is pretty dynamic and I wasn't sure if I would need a traditional front end library to work with it. But, nope, hypermedia to the win, it worked fine without a front end framework.
To build it I used my own library called HTMF[^2]. I started out using mpa-enhancer[^3] but found that that pattern is a little to janky sometimes. I think reloading a page every time on every interaction uses too many resources for a browser especially when you use a phone that doesn't have as much power as a laptop.
But overall I find the pattern very easy to use and keeps the complexity down.
I think some of the issues with traditional SPAs is that they have a lot of state and state is nonlinear in complexity. But using templating systems makes the complexity more linear in nature.
Also, I find libraries like React to be overly complex for what it does, see above. The way React works is just odd and counter intuitive. All for problems that are easy to solve. I do think there are places for a React-like library is needed but those are for websites that are inherently highly state-based. But most websites aren't state-based even ones that appear to be state-based at first.
The websites I work on are usually just forms and forms are pretty powerful and can get you a long ways before you need to go outside of that paradigm.
[^1]: https://github.com/jon49/Soccer
[^2]: https://github.com/jon49/htmf
[^3]: https://github.com/jon49/mpa-enhancer
- Things you forgot because of React
- Htmx, WebAssembly, Rust, ServiceWorker Proof of Concept
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Ask HN: Getting tired of complexity in web development
I wrote a js lib similar to HTMX, which I call HTMF[1]. Unlike HTMX I try to stay as close to the metal of the current semantics as possible. So, all interactions are based off of forms. I also tried to keep the wording similar to HTML/JS semantics. It's pretty small lib but pretty amazing how far I can get with it. These days I mainly build offline-first apps with it. But I built it in such a way that it can easily be a progressive enhancement to an MPA app.
[1]: https://github.com/jon49/htmf