nocode VS coreutils

> "no cruft: no build systems, no null, no exception handling, no ORMs, no OOP, no inheritence hierarchies, no async/await, no compilation, no dev environments, no dependency hell, no packaging, no git, no github, no devops: no yaml, no config files, no docker, no containers, no kubernetes, no ci/cd pipelines, no terraform, no orchestrating, no infrastructure: no sql, no nosql, no connection poolers, no sharding, no indexes, no servers, no serverless, no networking, no load balancers, no 200 cloud services, no kafka, no memcached, no unix, no OSes"

I'll be honest, I did the same and at first thought Darklang was a troll project along the lines of https://github.com/kelseyhightower/nocode.

Either this is one hell of a project that is taking on all problems (and will consequently fail), or this pitch is misguided. The majority of what is listed there have nothing to do with languages.

I hope this clears some of the fears of missing out (FOMO) that you might have about SurrealDB not having traditional SQL joins. You can still do the things you need to do such as with the subqueries. When it comes to the traditional joins though, we think about it more in terms of the joy of missing out (JOMO) because the best way to reduce errors in your code is by writing less code, as seen in our record links example.

Vanilla Design is a super lightweight, ultra high-performance React UI library. Vanilla Design Team places a great emphasis on code size and performance, drawing inspiration from the nocode philosophy, which has significantly boosted the security and maintainability of Vanilla Design. It's like they've added an extra layer of bulletproofing and polish to their creation!

There are some open source competitors to Airtable and Notion that can provide good insight. Check out https://github.com/kelseyhightower/nocode

Well 100 is a number. And here is the relation: https://sources.debian.org/stats/ and here is how to get 0 bugs: https://github.com/kelseyhightower/nocode

This is my background and i years of experience hosting this..

Asta kelseyhightower/nocode: The best way to write secure and reliable applications. Write nothing; deploy nowhere. (github.com) are mii de forkuri si zeci de mii de stelute, activitate masiva la 'issues' - mii, sute de 'pull requests', clar ca rezolva o problema reala, nu?

Well, you can write a bug-free application..

First off, congratulations on entering the Computer Science!

Second, I am not sure what is a bigger joke here, the project itself and the OP's innocuous and cute self-promotion or the fact that this post landed the HN's front page.

0. Terms and definitions.

"You" refers not to the author of the tool but to the dear reader who happens to stumble upon this comment in the stream of random screen scrolling.

1. Comment body.

Couple of things about CS classes and specifically about programming classes. They will teach you everything but the most important engineering principles. And you'll have to adjust your learnings once you leave the campus gate behind and enter the wilderness of real tasks and challenges.

The first biggest lesson I learnt as a CS graduate was that the most beautiful, efficient and valuable software program is the one that does not exist, literally no code[0]

The second biggest lesson I learnt as a CS graduate was YAGNI[0]. You never ever write a single line of code, even touch the keyboard until you are absolutely sure you have exhausted all possible options to solve your problem without getting your hands dirty with programming.

The third biggest lesson I learnt as a CS graduate was RTFM[2]. It is so exciting to go to conferences and see people present fancy slides and watch youtube videos with lollipop coloured pictures explaining some complex topics in a eli5 style. Or read blog posts on a gazillion of websites posted by unknown unknowns but yet coming so convincing as if they were written by John Carmack or ChatGPT 5. But then none of them tell you the whole truth and show you the full picture. It is only official documentation, manuals and boring reference specifications that can help you find what you are looking for. And you will need to learn the skill of grinding hunderds of pages of badly styled refdocs to find that really nitty gritty quirky feature that consumed your whole day in finding out why your code does not work as expected. That's where you will start proceeding to the official docs and source code (if needed) before anything else (even Stackoverflow!).

There have been so many git wrappers around, you can probably try them all (tig, jj, gh-cli, gitui, lazygit, gix, you google it). But then, no matter how much effort their authors invest in those tools, there will always be inconsistency between git and its wrapper and you find yourself resorting to git to do what was supposed to be covered by the bespoke tool. And then you learn to respect git, understand its concepts as they were designed, learn some bash and git aliases[3], ditch all those tools (or the majority of them) and proceed with your personal tailored toolbox where if you find something odd you adjust it for your needs within 10 minutes and chill out.

[0] - https://github.com/kelseyhightower/nocode

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_aren%27t_gonna_need_it

[2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM

[3] - https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Basics-Git-Aliases

https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils/commit/fcfba90d0d27a1...

A summary of other changes just released in GNU coreutils 9.5 are:

* mv accepts --exchange to swap files

> some are simple like yes(1)

Not that simple: https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils/blob/master/src/yes.c

The -S / --split-string option[1] of /usr/bin/env is a relatively recent addition to GNU Coreutils. It's available starting from GNU Coreutils 8.30[2], released on 2018-07-01.

Beware of portability: it relies on a non-standard behavior from some operating systems. It only works for OS's that treat all the text after the first space as argument(s) to the shebanged executable; rather than just treating the whole string as an executable path (that can happen to contain spaces).

Fortunately this non-standard behavior is more the norm than the exception: it works at least on modern GNU/Linux, BSDs, and macOS.

[1] https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/env-...

[2] https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils/blob/b09dc6306e7affaf...

> building a cat from scratch

> That would be an interesting project.

Here is the source code of the OpenBSD implementation of cat:

> https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/bin/cat/cat.c

and here of the GNU coreutils implementation:

> https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils/blob/master/src/cat.c

Thus: I don't think building a cat from scratch or creating a tutorial about that topic is particularly hard (even though the HN audience would likely be interested in it). :-)

the yes command, writing to /dev/null, is making IO calls, which interfere with predictable scheduling.

If you look at the source code for yes, https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils/blob/master/src/yes.c

it builds a buffer of output and then writes that in a for loop

  while (full_write (STDOUT_FILENO, buf, bufused) == bufused)

Looking at the source of nohup, if the execvp() of the child happens then it _must_ have already done the signal (SIGHUP, SIG_IGN) so - WTF?

This got me wondering so I went and looked and it seems like lo and behold there was actually a commit to the GNU ls source just 2 weeks ago.

https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils/blob/master/src/ls.c

"maint: prefer char32_t to wchar_t"

even an empty file? Yes. so now it was a file with a copyright disclaimer and nothing else. And the koan-like question comes to mind is "Can you copyright nothing?" well AT&T sure tried.

Then somebody said our programs should be well defined and not depend on a fluke of unix, which at this point was probable a good idea. so it became "exit 0"

Then somebody said we should write our system utilities in C instead of shell so it runs faster. openbsd still has a good example of how this would look.

http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/~checkout~/src/usr....

At some point gnu bureaucracy got involved and said all programs must support the '-h' flag. so that got added, then they said all programs must support locale so that got added. now days gnu true is an astonishing 80 lines long.

https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils/blob/master/src/true....

http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/humor/ATT_Copyright_true.html

> Yes, ls is maintained. Although, maintained is a very strong word. It exists.

Why would it be a strong word? Here it is, in src/ls.c: https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils

It is then packaged by tens of operating system distributions, who themselves maintain extra patchsets, some of which are then upstreamed.

It is installed and used on millions (billions?) of devices, for 3 decades.

It's a very reliable and trusty "sharp stick of metal" :)