matrix-react-sdk VS mjolnir

There's already an (old pull request)[https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/pull/9240] out for custom emotes for the element client but is blocked by acceptance of spec and other minor issues with code style.

You are completely misinterpreting my quote, which makes me question whether you are acting in good faith.

Totally agreed that Signal servers cannot just add a device to a group chat.

What I saying was: in any system, you have to verify users for security in general. Having verified users in Matrix, you then get a massive red warning if an unverified device is added to their accounts. Given we have cross-signing (i.e. users are heavily encouraged to verify their own devices when they log in), you can be sure that such unverified devices are malicious and take appropriate action.

The obvious thing we could do is to go one step further (as we used to, until we backed it out in https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/pull/3837) and stop messages from flowing until the unverified device has been dealt with. Even better would be to make group membership controlled by the clients, so the server can't add devices at all. And we're working on this, as part of shifting the implementations over to the audited matrix-rust-sdk-crypto implementation to avoid having to solve the problem in quadruplicate.

> I would challenge you to get one reputable cryptographer to back what you’re claiming about these vulnerabilities and your proposed fixes.

Hopefully someone will pop up here and confirm that I'm not talking shit :) Failing that, you'll have to wait for the next Least Authority audit - we have another independent public audit queued once this wave of work finishes to address the "To me Matrix isn't secure" polemicists. You can see the previous one (on the crypto layer, rather than the group membership layer) at https://matrix.org/blog/2022/05/16/independent-public-audit-... fwiw.

1. We are about to replace the composer in Element with a sparkly new (optional) wysiwyg editor in the coming weeks: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-wysiwyg

2. totally agreed. we are completely reworking the crypto UX; there’s already https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/pull/8228 asa proof of concept of what’s to come.

3. glad you like Cinny - it’s written by ajbura, whose dayjob is at Element and built the UI for Third Room. Element is not “the official app” - it’s just the one that happens to be written by folks from the Matrix core team. If you prefer Cinny, knock yourself out. Meanwhile we’re frantically improving Element too.

Unlike any open source projects to which I've contributed, this project involves 2 other repos, matrix-react-sdk and matrix-js-sdk. As explained in the Development guide in the element-web repo, I need those 2 SDKs in order to build Element successfully for code contribution.

> Also, you can do toggle mute via hotkey (which we have a draft for at https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/pull/2280), but this is surely a bonus feature.

Proper Push-To-Talk with global hotkey is one of those features that doesn't seem important but when you need it (organizing Raids in games, big meetings, etc) it makes a world of difference. That and lack of click to join voice rooms is definitely making it harder to move gaming groups over.

Encryption is now enabled by default for 1:1 chats. There's an MR for adding GIF support but looks like they are not interested in it.

This is a really common failure mode - people forget to explicitly assert that the other modifiers are off when checking for a modifier being on. I had to go through and fix all the ones in matrix-react-sdk (element web) a few years ago: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-react-sdk/pull/825/file...

Exposing the desktopCapturer to the render process and then using it inside the web app

Ah, for a moment, I thought this was about the [Mjölnir project](https://github.com/matrix-org/mjolnir/) in Matrix-land.

I'm running a small (at the beginning it was completely public, now I'm keeping an eye on registrations) homeserver with synapse for a few years - I really like Matrix on a conceptual level and I'm happy that it exists even through it's not perfect it works pretty well mostly. I don't want to be too harsh because it's the best decentralized alternative for chat at the moment and it's open-source and there is a lot of progress but damn' it was a pain in the ass to run that server... we solved our problems mostly with throwing resources and memory on the problem... it's a nice tour de force if you want to learn about debugging distributed systems but it's nothing to install somewhere and just keep running.

synapse is quite a mess and there are a lot of hidden footguns if you just run a server - this is just the tip of iceberg to keep the postgres database somewhat sane: https://levans.fr/shrink-synapse-database.html - lot's of other issues in the issue-tracker where you can just scratch your head.

bridges are all subtly broken - the xmpp bridge is horrible and broke in so much interesting ways that I'm not going to touch it ever again - telegram works okay most of the time, irc-bridge also have some warts - but it's easy to criticize from my chair and probably unfair to talk so negative about it here but it's often buggy and broken for edge-cases - it works most of the time pretty okay but it's quite a mess and difficult to debug things.

moderation/spam/etc.pp is all hackable but it's all mostly quickly hacked up nodejs code that at least for us exploded in all kinds of interesting ways. https://github.com/matrix-org/mjolnir writing 3tb of logs in a few weeks and heating memory like crazy for instance. It's all complicated and there is no simple ui for anything.

So it's powerful but requires quite a bit of dedication and patience to get right. It's a full blown distributed system and often state is all over the place and once you make a mistake it's difficult to get right.

But there are so much promising projects that I'm confident that these issues will be resolved and it will only get better but in my experience it will break badly on all kinds of edge-cases - the mentioned xmpp-bridge created usernames that can't be deleted via the http api for instance. someone bridged 1000 channels via our telegram-bridge and there is no code to remove those channels - you have to code something up in python for yourself. irc bridge kicks you after 30 days idle because they can't handle the connections - freenode (before the takeover) said it's not them - maybe single threaded nodejs is not such a good idea for that.

Could I do it any better and delivering? Probably not. But except some adventure and if you want to deploy it for an org carefully test any assumptions you take for granted. It's cool but it's also kind of quick'n'dirty in a lot of ways. Still better than anything else I'd use it over any megacorp messenger anytime but maybe don't switch your family yet.

Moderation tools are slowly improving, but definitely still don't fit all use cases, and it's very unfortunate they don't come natively with synapse. I'm the lead admin of a Matrix ' Space', and our main room now has over 6,000 users (80%+ are inactive or barely active). We use mjolnir(https://github.com/matrix-org/mjolnir) to ban and redact users/servers/messages across all of our rooms, which has been a godsend since I used to have to redact all the racist/gore myself message-by-message. It's still reactive instead of proactive, but I'm hoping these tools will mature in time.