matrix-appservice-irc VS modern-irc

The issue in question here is https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/issues/1... (and https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/pull/133...) which accidentally regressed due to other stability work done for Libera (specifically, keeping the IRC-side connections persistent, rather than reconnecting when the bridge starts). As a result there was an race condition edge case where users on the Matrix side could read history in the IRC channel while still connecting the Matrix users on the IRC side. This was one of the straws that broke the camel's back in terms of Libera wanting the bridge disabled. The other was the confusion over https://matrix.org/blog/2023/07/what-happened-with-the-archi....

As a user, this is miserable. Matrix is used as a decentralised bouncer for tens of thousands of users to access IRC (including me) and while the bridge has certainly had problems over the years (e.g. occasional delays & a recent spate of dropped messages), it's also improved loads too - e.g. with support for restarting the bridge without reconnecting all the IRC users (https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/issues/1...) and all the other stuff in https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/blob/dev....

By now requiring users to go and contact chanops to ask them to explicitly plumb IRC channels to Matrix, it's just going to waste time for chanops, precipitate weird cross-plumbing failures, or fail outright (given plumbing channels with more than 100 users has to be done manually to prevent abuse).

It's very unfortunate that it's come to this, and I can only hope that the whole "opt in with a chanmode" thing happens.

In fact, wouldn't it have been better to just ban the bridge by default, and let chanops unban it if they want people to be able to access via Matrix, rather than encourage people into the weird world of plumbing?

On the Matrix side, we've put a lot of effort into being good neighbours, fwiw - e.g. recently this massive refactor at https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/pull/166... to allow the matrix<->irc bridge to be restarted without reconnecting all its IRC users (the single biggest complaint we ever had about the bridge in terms of eroding usability of IRC for IRC natives).

Sadly it looks like it wasn't considered sufficient, based on https://libera.chat/news/matrix-deportalling.

This happened right after Freenode banned IRCCloud users following IRCCloud staff statements suggesting users to migrate off Freenode and the launch of competing bouncer services.[0] Now that most channels are dead and direct users to other networks despite staff's best efforts to quell any criticism (channel migrations+topic-renaming, banning users, etc), I guess they decided to wipe everything and start over to more easily remove any references to Libera/OFTC. In fact, it removes any every reference to anything at all.

If you had a bot that directed users to the actual location of your community, you should check to make sure that it survives this migration (this was probably part of the intent).

If you use Matrix and have left Freenode channels, the IRC-Matrix appservice bridge might still be keeping you connected. To leave Freenode, send a "!quit" message to the Freenode bridge appservice user, @appservice-irc:matrix.org.[1][2]

[0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20210612224853/https://nitter.ni...

[1]: https://matrix-org.github.io/matrix-appservice-irc/latest/ad...

[2]: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/wiki/Bri...

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It looks like they could be fixed as the bridge code is open source. For example here is an issue around messages being split incorrectly: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/issues/1...

You're not allowed null bytes in IRC messages: https://modern.ircdocs.horse/#parameters

Some IRC servers (especially those written in C) may interpret it as a line end, so you would have a similar issue

https://modern.ircdocs.horse/ is based on both 1459 and 2812, and describes the protocol shared by all current implementations. If you see any inaccuracy, please open a ticket at https://github.com/ircdocs/modern-irc/ so we can fix it.

You might wanna check it out. Things like code quotes and expand/collapse would be cool to add. I think some clients already support emoji as it's just UTF8?

It's common for IRC users to use IRC from a terminal client on their desktop. If they have a remote server, they'll use a screen session to keep their IRC client running in the background and re-open it when they want. Or they'll keep an eggdrop bot on a server somewhere, which is basically a sorta IRC proxy that they connect to from their desktop and can keep their user online in the background.

Here's some stuff on IRC: https://github.com/ircdocs/modern-irc | https://www.mirc.com/colors.html | https://wiki.wireshark.org/IRC