Joda-Beans VS ktor

That means I don't forget about fields (as can happen if you're just doing `person.setX()` all the time). It's easy to see what is what when reading it. I can delete fields I don't want to initialize at the time. Yes, maybe immutable objects are the One True Way, but C# lets me choose (I can label properties with an initializer `init` rather than a setter `set` and then they're immutable).

Kotlin offers stuff like this too because it's really useful toward creating code that's easy to create and maintain. Go also lets you initialize structs in a similar fashion.

Java has come back to us a decade or more late with records. They're not bad, but they're only offering one thing. They don't cover what C#, Kotlin, Go, and other languages have offered for so long.

The annoying thing about Java is that it doesn't feel pragmatic a lot of the time. It feels like the language hates stealing ideas from others. It's Java: people steal ideas from Java, not the other way around. People do crazy things just to get POJOs including Immutables (http://immutables.github.io), AutoValue (https://github.com/google/auto/), Lombok (https://projectlombok.org), Joda Beans (https://www.joda.org/joda-beans/), and maybe more. They generate lots of code at compile time or do funky runtime stuff.

It just feels like Java misses the pragmatic stuff and still kinda doesn't want to handle that. I feel a bit silly harping on things like POJOs and setting data on a new object, but that's a big part of day-to-day stuff and it definitely pushes users away from Java towards languages that seem "better" simply because they don't have Java's oddly strong attachment to not offering simple value objects. Yes, again, records do something - but it feels like Java ignored how people are using Kotlin, Go, C#, and more and didn't go for something that would have been as widely applicable and pragmatic as it could have been.

Java has a lot of great stuff like great GCs (yes), lots of cool research, great performance, and Project Loom is really exciting. I just wish the language would lean a little more practical.

I know I've been talking about properties a bunch, but let's look at Java. Java Beans are terrible - so terrible that the community has a number of workarounds. Immutables (https://immutables.github.io) lets you generate builders, Lombok (https://projectlombok.org) has their annotations that do runtime and IDE magic, there's Joda-Beans (https://www.joda.org/joda-beans/), there's the new Java Records if you want immutable-only and non-compatibility with lots of libraries, there are people using Kotlin for their data classes and Java for other things... Properties are this simple thing that lets C# work with the whole getter/setter pattern without being horribly annoying - there's just this weird { get; set; } thing that I can ignore because I don't care.

In paralel Jetbrains has created a lot of KMP frameworks that are awesome. One of them is Ktor that helps "create asynchronous client and server applications."

Ktor, a powerful web framework built with Kotlin, offers a lightweight and flexible solution for building web applications. In this article, we will guide you through the process of creating a Ktor project manually using Gradle and SDKMAN!. By following the steps below, you'll have a basic Ktor project up and running in no time.

take a look at http4k and ktor for Kotlin specific frameworks Spring has first class support for Kotlin e.g. the following will give you reactive HTTP endpoints when using spring-webflux (this is what is use at work):

Ktor (Microservices framework by JetBrains)

For Android you should use a more mobile friendly framework like Retrofit or if you use Kotlin you can use the multi-platform Ktor library with it's client module

And last but not least, Ktor Client as our HTTP client. https://ktor.io/ It's a pretty amazing http client library and integrates well with Kotlinx serialization and Coroutines.

Kotlin is going to be great with almost every single JVM server. Spring works well with Kotlin, and is directly supported, but spring is also massive, very bloated. I recommend looking at https://github.com/ktorio/ktor which continues to serve all of my needs very well, integrates fantastically with Kotlin coroutines, and has very fast startup time and very good performance.

For the sake of the test, we use Ktor - the easiest way to do so is to use initializer.

I know you are looking for Spring Boot and/or Quarkus, but have you tried ktor. Just curios if you had a particular reason for choosing the other 2. Disclaimer: I haven't used ktor.