hyperview VS idiomorph

Is english your first language? I feel like many of your objections, insofar as I can make sense of them, fall into language & semantic debates.

The term HDA, which I coined and, therefore, feel like I have some ability to define, was created to contrast with the familiar SPA/Single Page Application acronym, which is a term used in web development. This is why I focus on the web with that article.

As I have repeated incessantly with you, I included HXML, a mobile hypermedia from the https://hyperview.org project, in my book on hypermedia systems, and I hope this indicates to a fair minded 3rd person (I have given up on you acknowledging my plain language here) that I do not believe that HTML is the only hypermedia in the world.

I've really enjoyed using Hyperview (https://hyperview.org/) recently, which uses React Native as a base. I used to think PWA/Ionic/Capacitor apps were better, but have really fallen in love with the simplicity of Hyperview and tools like HTMX.

there already is!

https://hyperview.org/

Adam Stepinski, the creator of Hypreview, built it after his experience with intercooler.js, the predecessor to htmx. It is a very interesting piece of technology and, through the magic of HATEOAS, allows you to update your mobile app instantly for all your users, without dealing with the mobile store!

There is an entire section on Hyperview, written by Adam, in part three of our book:

https://hypermedia.systems/book/contents/

it's about hypermedia, https://htmx.org/, and https://hyperview.org/ , which have a focus on removing complexity

[1] There is Hyperview but it's super new.

i am the creator of htmx, this is a great article that touches on a lot of the advantages of the hypermedia approach (two big ones: simplicity & it eliminates the two-codebase problem, which puts pressure on teams to adopt js on the backend even if it isn't the best server side option)

hypermedia isn't ideal for everything[1], but it is an interesting & useful technology and libraries like htmx make it much more relevant for modern development

we have a free book on practical hypermedia (a review of concepts, old web 1.0 style apps, modernized htmx-based apps, and mobile hypermedia based on hyperview[2]) available here:

https://hypermedia.systems

[1] - https://htmx.org/essays/when-to-use-hypermedia/

[2] - https://hyperview.org/

in plain htmx, you can target an area that doesn't disrupt a playing video (e.g. the comments box appending to the comments) or you can use a morphing algorithm that disrupts the DOM less.

i have my own morphing algorithm (and a corresponding htmx plugin that allows you to use it) called idiomorph:

https://github.com/bigskysoftware/idiomorph/

i've also been working with the chrome team to get a feature added they are calling "atomic moves":

https://github.com/whatwg/dom/issues/1255

this would allow us to move elements around in the DOM without losing things like play state or focus or whatever

very excited for this last idea, I think it will be a huge boon for the web in general, not just for htmx

for htmx 2.0 i'm integrating this functionality into the core

it's based on the head morphing algorithm of idiomorph:

https://github.com/bigskysoftware/idiomorph/

which 37Signals is going to integrate into Turbo for v8:

https://twitter.com/ben_pylo/status/1717975035669876790

[1] - https://htmx.org/essays/locality-of-behaviour/

i certainly hope not

the 2.0 would drop IE support, remove the older SSE and WebSocket support, and switch a couple of defaults (e.g, using template wrapping for parsing partial content, which handles troublesome elements like table rows better, but isn't available in IE) so it would be a breaking change (not for most folks, but still, breaking for some) which I only like to do w/ major versions.

we may have one major addition: a morph swap based on idiomorph:

https://github.com/bigskysoftware/idiomorph/

i'm on the fence on that one: it is currently available as an extension and maybe doesn't belong in the core, still thinking about it

so, in comparison with most libraries, 2.0 is going to be very minor

maybe I'm too close to it, but htmx feels like a hack to address things that really should be part of the HTML spec

if browsers got into the game I would assume they could do things much faster and integrate things like preload (https://htmx.org/extensions/preload/) and idiomorph (https://github.com/bigskysoftware/idiomorph/) much more cleanly w/ the rest of the browser infrastructure

idiomorph:

https://github.com/bigskysoftware/idiomorph

it's an updated take on the DOM morphing algorithm of morphdom, and it uses what i call "ID sets" to allow the morphing algorithm to "see" children in the DOM when making morphing decisions in the parents, which means you don't need to annotate the DOM with as many ids

here is a demo showing how it outperforms morphdom when ids are sparse/deep:

https://github.com/bigskysoftware/idiomorph#demo

my trick for making the `htmx:confirm` event act like it is blocking:

https://github.com/bigskysoftware/htmx/blob/a3c414dcee94fd03...

basically, redesign the arguments for a function such that I can call it again at a given spot with one parameter changed and, to a first order approximation, it acts as if the function is resumable.

I've used this hack in many places now, just recently in idiomorph to allow head elements to load before the rest of the content is morphed:

https://github.com/bigskysoftware/idiomorph/blob/e6dfc189fa3...

That being said, htmx is about 3000 lines of mostly-understandable JavaScript. Really, the only two somewhat ugly parts of the code are history support and the somewhat fancy swapping model that enables CSS transitions. And it's basically baked at this point. I plan on adding a merge-style swap (https://github.com/bigskysoftware/idiomorph), better head merging and cleaning up some rough edges in htmx 2.0, but the core API shouldn't change at all and for most people 2.0 will be the same as a point release. At that point, htmx will be done done, and just another tool to use when building websites.