stdlib VS fpm

Hopefully, the SciPy community can stay open-minded about modern Fortran libraries.

Modern Fortran is quite different from Fortran 77, while being as powerful, if not more.

In addition, there has been a significant community effort on improving and modernising the legacy packages, the ecosystem, and the language itself.

With projects like LFortran (https://lfortran.org/), fpm (https://github.com/fortran-lang/fpm), and stdlib (https://github.com/fortran-lang/stdlib), I believe that Fortran will enjoy prosperity again.

They're currently working on a Fortran standard library and it's pretty far along: https://github.com/fortran-lang/stdlib

I also like FPM and the ecosystem. In case anyone is just getting started with Fortran, definitely checkout the Fortran Standard Library project:

https://github.com/fortran-lang/stdlib

In general, it is necessary to know the length of a string in Fortran before using it. There is no general string with unspecified strength. Some libraries do provide such an object (e.g. Fortran Standard Library, but it is not available in the standard language. To obtain the length of the string in your example, you could use the length option in get_command_argument as integer :: clen character(len=:), allocatable :: string_b call get_command_argument(2, length=clen) allocate(string_b(clen)) string_b = '' call get_command_argument(2, string_b) write(*,*) string_b deallocate(string_b)

If you need to clear memory in the local scope, you need to deallocate a variable explicitly. Otherwise, all Fortran variables are cleared automatically when they go out of scope. One exception are Fortran pointers (different from C pointers) which are discouraged unless really necessary. We have a discussion for a high-level wrapper for files here: https://github.com/fortran-lang/stdlib/issues/14. So, it's in scope we just haven't gotten far with the design and implementation.

FYPP syntax is ugly, but is the best tool available for now to build the Fortran stdlib. People do not have to use the FYPP version of stdlib. There is also a clean post-processed version of the stdlib completely free of FYPP or any other FPP, which looks great: https://github.com/fortran-lang/stdlib/tree/stdlib-fpm

What if we try to evaluate this using standard-compliant Fortran? Interestingly, this is an open issue in the fortran-lang/stdlib project. f90 real(8) function f(x) real(8) :: x f = x**(1d0/3d0) endfunction I know real(8) isn't standard compliant but fixing that for this tiny example would be a headache. Then, compiling with -O3 gets us f_: movsd xmm1, QWORD PTR .LC0[rip] movsd xmm0, QWORD PTR [rdi] jmp pow .LC0: .long 1431655765 .long 1070945621

learn Fortran (supports both FP and OO, but when we say Fortran we think FP mostly). And the best way to learn is contributing. You can checkout their GitHub org (Fortran-lang) and you might be astonished to see that you too can make contributions there. But you should be ready to learn and search things on your own as well. They have a discourse group too, if you get stuck somewhere. Good luck. At the moment of writing this post they have a good first issue (Greatest Common Divisor) on their stdlib repo.

I recently started learning Fortran for a lark. It reminds me a lot of R, in some respects. It's clearly a very, very good language for doing the parts of one's job that are very math-centric. But it's equally underwhelming as a general purpose programming language.

Largely, I think, due to gaps in the library ecosystem. But there are other challenges. You can see from the install instructions on the linked page, for example, that Fortran still lacks a package manager.

What's interesting, though, is that that's changing. There are currently serious efforts to give it a "standard" library (https://github.com/fortran-lang/stdlib) and package manager (https://github.com/fortran-lang/fpm).

And I've been watching the new LFortran compiler (https://lfortran.org) with extreme interest.

Make sure you have the latest fpm binary installed somewhere so that your $PATH can see it: curl -o ~/.local/bin/fpm -L https://github.com/fortran-lang/fpm/releases/download/v0.8.2/fpm-0.8.2-linux-x86_64 && chmod 0755 ~/.local/bin/fpm

Hopefully, the SciPy community can stay open-minded about modern Fortran libraries.

Modern Fortran is quite different from Fortran 77, while being as powerful, if not more.

In addition, there has been a significant community effort on improving and modernising the legacy packages, the ecosystem, and the language itself.

With projects like LFortran (https://lfortran.org/), fpm (https://github.com/fortran-lang/fpm), and stdlib (https://github.com/fortran-lang/stdlib), I believe that Fortran will enjoy prosperity again.

Anyway, first release of Fortran Package Manager was in November 2020: https://github.com/fortran-lang/fpm/releases/tag/v0.1.0 - more recently than I expected.

There is actually a Fortran Package Manager that will hopefully make things easier in the future. It's quite new, so it might not be entirely mature yet.

Author here, so I'm biased toward Fortran, though I've been enjoying learning Rust as well. I think there are a few reasons.

First, Rust's multidimensional arrays are either limited and/or difficult to use. Fast, flexible, and ergonomic multidimensional arrays and arithmetic are essential for HPC. They are possible with Rust, but my two favorite Rust books not mentioning them suggests to me that they're not the focus of the language. This may or may not change in the future.

Second, Rust may be too complex to learn for scientists who aren't paid to write software but to do research. Fortran is opposite--multidimensional whole-array arithmetic looks like you would write it as math on a whiteboard. While scientists can sure learn to program Rust effectively, I think most scientists don't think like Rust, but they do think like Fortran. For somebody not familiar with Fortran but familiar with Python, I'd say Fortran very much feels like NumPy.

Third, such ecosystem would be built in Rust from scratch. In Fortran, most of the value is already there, but needs to be made more accessible with better and more modern tooling. For example, Fortran's fpm (https://github.com/fortran-lang/fpm) is largely modeled after Rust's Cargo because we recognize the importance of good user experience when it comes to building and packaging software. With the recent Fortran-lang efforts, we study many programming language ecosystems and communities (e.g. Python, Julia, Rust, etc.) to find what could work best for modern Fortran tooling.

I recently started learning Fortran for a lark. It reminds me a lot of R, in some respects. It's clearly a very, very good language for doing the parts of one's job that are very math-centric. But it's equally underwhelming as a general purpose programming language.

Largely, I think, due to gaps in the library ecosystem. But there are other challenges. You can see from the install instructions on the linked page, for example, that Fortran still lacks a package manager.

What's interesting, though, is that that's changing. There are currently serious efforts to give it a "standard" library (https://github.com/fortran-lang/stdlib) and package manager (https://github.com/fortran-lang/fpm).

And I've been watching the new LFortran compiler (https://lfortran.org) with extreme interest.

FPM has entered the chat https://github.com/fortran-lang/fpm