forth386 VS sectorforth

Compare forth386 vs sectorforth and see what are their differences.

forth386

A bare-metal Forth for i386 machines. (by remexre)

sectorforth

sectorforth is a 16-bit x86 Forth that fits in a 512-byte boot sector. (by cesarblum)
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forth386

Posts with mentions or reviews of forth386. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2021-10-17.

sectorforth

Posts with mentions or reviews of sectorforth. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2024-05-01.
  • Cognition: The Revolutionary Antisyntax Language Redefining Metaprogramming
    2 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 1 May 2024
    I think it's fine to show that you can do it, I think the main thing is to flip the order a bit.

    E.g. "here's a cool thing thing we can do outcome of significantly changing a readable syntax>" to hook people, "here's how ", "and if you really want to know how to bootstrap this from basics ".

    Maybe compare how e.g. Forth is often introduced, with how people describe bootstrapping of a simplistic Forth like Jonesforth or Sectorforth [2]. Showing people how they can define their own words and it fundamentally changes how they work with the language afterwards is cool to a lot of people who have no interest in details like how you an implement even numbers with a minimal set of primitives (e.g. Sectorforth relies on that).

    Both are interesting to me, but I'm weird, and I think for most people it'd be easier to maintain their interest if those two aspects are either separate articles or at least if the bootstrapping is relegated to a standalone section they're clearly told they can skip.

    [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31368212

    [2] https://github.com/cesarblum/sectorforth

  • Konilo: A personal computing system in Forth
    5 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 2 Mar 2024
  • Fourteen Years of Go
    13 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 11 Nov 2023
    > I'm not sure here how you differentiate minimalist from restrictive.

    The flexibility of the language and its syntax. The more constructs are syntactic, the less minimalistic it is, and Go is a very syntactic language.

    > I've always considered Go to be minimalist in terms of available tokens to the programmer: https://github.com/e3b0c442/keywords/blob/main/chart.png

    No language on this chart has even a passing resemblance to minimalistic. I don't think anything does when it reaches double digit keywords.

    For reference, I believe Smalltalk has 6.

    And forth is more complicated because it doesn't really have keywords at all, and barely any syntax, instead it has assembly-coded / runtime-provided words (~functions) and variables. SectorForth (https://github.com/cesarblum/sectorforth/) is down to 8 builtin words, 2 IO words, and 5 variables (milliforth packs those behind a word instead). And so far 2 of the words have been found unnecessary / redundant.

  • MilliForth
    4 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 5 Nov 2023
    https://github.com/cesarblum/sectorforth/issues
  • Interesting Article About a C compiler in 512 bytes That Uses Forth Inspired Tricks to Fit an Extremely Tight Space Constraint
    1 project | /r/Forth | 2 Jun 2023
    Probably well known, but I'll let it here anyway: SectorForth
  • Ask HN: What are some impressive software projects that fit in 512 bytes?
    5 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 20 Jul 2022
  • That's pretty much it!
    7 projects | /r/ProgrammerHumor | 26 Feb 2022
    sectorforth
  • A Forth bootable by old 386 PCs?
    4 projects | /r/Forth | 17 Oct 2021
    If you want to go allll the way down to the metal, you could put https://github.com/cesarblum/sectorforth in a floppy boot sector and then work your way up from there, enabling line A20 and switching into 32-bit protected mode yourself. Certainly on the "DIY" end of the spectrum, but it sure would be satisfying.
  • suckless programming languages?
    5 projects | /r/suckless | 10 Oct 2021
    Forth - More powerful and minimal than C, can fit in 512 bytes
  • BootOS operating system in 512 bytes
    3 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 27 Aug 2021

What are some alternatives?

When comparing forth386 and sectorforth you can also consider the following projects:

sectorlisp - Bootstrapping LISP in a Boot Sector

porth - It's like Forth but in Python

book8088 - Examples from my book Programming Boot Sector Games

colorForth - colorForth running in Bochs for Windows

jonesforth - Mirror of JONESFORTH

harm-less - Inspired by suckless and cat-v, this is a simple single document wiki of suckless practices and minimal software.

bootOS - bootOS is a monolithic operating system in 512 bytes of x86 machine code.

movfuscator - The single instruction C compiler

movfuscator - The single instruction C compiler

factor - Factor programming language

Invaders - Invaders game in 512 bytes (boot sector)