esy VS dune

As someone who wrote a fair amount of Rust and OCaml code, I have to agree with the author.

While working at Routine (YC W21), I was tasked with porting our core library to iOS to minimize code duplication. This was a lucky opportunity to write something resembling a compiler: it took in schemas described with our in-house data exchange library and generated C (for FFI) and Swift code (for the end-users, i.e., iOS developers).

Since Routine uses OCaml for everything (which was a big motivator for joining the company—I wanted to see how that would work out), I wrote it in OCaml. The end result is a 3-5k LOC project. It's by no means a full compiler, but it was lots of fun to write. The language got in the way incredibly rarely. On average, it made my life a lot easier.

We did encounter our fair share of issues, mostly due to the cross-compilation tooling (we initially used esy [1], flirted with Nix, and eventually switched to opam-cross-ios [2]), third-party libraries, and intricacies of FFI. Those do take their toll on sanity.

[1]: https://github.com/esy/esy/

What's the current status of Esy? https://github.com/esy/esy

Any plans to backport its design back to Opam?

It's great to hear that Opam is making progress! I just wished that it would be more deeply integrated with Dune. A package manager that doesn't build is not very useful to be honest. Currently the only way to not have to care about switches and be able to clearly specify dependencies is to use the esy package manager[1] (which had lock files a while ago).

[1]: https://github.com/esy/esy/

If you start a project today I would really try to use esy (https://esy.sh/)

I actually don’t use it myself but it seems to bring the modern programming language experience to OCaml

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Alternatively, you can use esy.sh for a simpler setup/build process (it does not require running in a Cygwin shell).

Running esy does not work. Apparently, my environment does not know that it is there. Anyone know what is going on here? I have posted this in the discussion for esy@next here. I will get back to you all when I figure this out.

If you are using the dune build system, add the tag(s) to your dune-project file's package stanza. E.g.:

One way to get around this is to modify the api/dune file with (include_subdirs qualified); this means that every subdirectory of api/ can be referenced by module namespacing and we don't have to write dune files for every route (or pages) folder. However, the OCaml LSP does not like it and red squiggles will show up in the editor (although the app with still compile without errors). Trying to develop the app knowing those red squiggles cannot be vanquished would drive me nuts, so instead of using (include_subdirs qualified) I just wrote dune files for every route (and page) which gets rid of the red squiggles.

2) Neither would having all source/targets specified, as that would entail listing them all in the dune file as wildcard rules is apparently still not a thing: https://github.com/ocaml/dune/issues/307

There is a small example on the dune home page: https://dune.build/

Dune (https://dune.build/) is the preeminent build tool for OCaml development. I don't love its input syntax (s-expressions), and I sometimes miss the ability to write high-level functions to reduce boilerplate (especially for unit tests), but it always gets the dependencies right, and it's fast. This is in stark contrast to some of my experiences with various other build systems, and I am super happy that the default option for OCaml build systems is so good.

It's still weird because dune's own site only makes Jane Street references: https://dune.build/.

ONE of the big benefits of OCaml is its powerful REPL (also called the toplevel), the interactive command-line utility where you can load modules, type in and execute code, and see its results. The modern REPL, utop, has powerful auto-completion and integration with the build system dune, which enables productive workflows like loading an entire project's libraries in the REPL and interactively exploring them.