deprecated-coalton-prototype VS clisp

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I used to use CL quite a bit, but have since abandoned it for Haskell, so I'm a bit biased.

There's a number of issues with that:

- I'd be missing all the optimizations that can be performed due to purity.

- There's more to Haskell's type system than just vanilla Hindley-Milner, and the implementation of it isn't particularly trivial. https://github.com/stylewarning/coalton is the closest thing and it's still missing a large amount of the type system.

- Doing the implementation would be a significant amount of work to get it to integrate well with the language, and it would be a layer tightly glued on top instead of integrated with the language.

- A major part of Haskell is the standard library, a good chunk of the semantics of Haskell people use on a day to day basis, like monads and etc, are a part of the standard library.

This looks like something Common Lisp does better, however I have too little Clojure experience to compare. CL (and SBCL in particular) does "good enough" static type checks, it throws warning at compile time (when we compile one function with a keystroke). We can also precise our function types gradually. It isn't a HM type system (Coalton[1] could be it) but it's already great (compared to no compile-time types at all).

Oh, about interactive development: that's sure, CL shines here. Objects get updated (lazily) after a class change, we can install Quicklisp libraries without restarting the image, etc. It's very smooth.

1: https://github.com/stylewarning/coalton

Help out with Coalton.

If you like this kind of stuff, maybe you can help implement type classes in Coalton.

(there's a work-in-progress library to add a dialect of ML on top of CL: coalton)

One should note that while it is true that the last CLISP release was a long time ago and there is not a lot of development going on right now, it's not dead. Bruno Haible just commited last week.

The repository is now at https://gitlab.com/gnu-clisp/clisp

CLISP is maintained here: https://gitlab.com/gnu-clisp/clisp/-/commits/master

Roswell has switched its clisp-head to be built from https://github.com/roswell/clisp/ which is based on the commits from CLISP's canonical repository along with patches which add package-local nicknames to it.

Oh dang, there is new development on clisp! I had to do some digging to find [the repo](https://gitlab.com/gnu-clisp/clisp), but it looks like the latest commit even adds support for MacOS on ARM.

> phoe got package local nicknames into all implementations

Unfortunately it's not yet in Clisp. I submitted a merge request[1] a year ago, but it's been silent since then.

[1]: https://gitlab.com/gnu-clisp/clisp/-/merge_requests/3

Quick note, CLISP is actually an implementation of Common Lisp, and as such isn't used as an abbreviation for Common Lisp the language. Could you expand on what you mean w.r.t to package managers? As far as getting up and running with a CL environment, Portacle makes this pretty easy now.