cursorless VS expand-region.el

What are your opinions on https://www.cursorless.org/ ?

Are you targeting developers?

My understanding was people who are serious about developing via voice use it pretty exclusively.

Like, yeah you need to learn commands, but "are often not worth it" feels like brushing a pretty massive offering under the rug.

Is learning vi / emacs commands not worth it (or shortcuts in another IDE?)

Is there a middle ground?

actually I just saw that someone is working on a keyboard mode for Cursorless! https://github.com/cursorless-dev/cursorless/issues?q=is%3Ai...

See for example: - https://youtu.be/xtOkYdwUves?si=X01vGNVhNRjj7kXh - https://www.cursorless.org/ - https://talonvoice.com/

I would highly recommend checking out https://www.cursorless.org/, an editor for voice built on Talon (what’s being used here by Josh) and a VSCode extension. If for nothing else than to watch the dev live code with it.

Yep. So I've been working for about fifteen years, had it from the start, but it just keep on getting worse. So now have migrated to a no keyboard solution, and am working on a no mouse solution.

My setup, software:

- talon (https://talonvoice.com/), basing my configuration on the standard repo (https://github.com/knausj85/knausj_talon/), with some minor modifications. This is how I navigate my whole computer, and runs the voice recognition and eye tracking. This is how I'm typing this right now. There are also a bunch of other little system changes that you need to make (eg, on macOS, disable double space to type a period), which is documented by the community with varying levels of success.

- cursorless (https://www.cursorless.org/), and then vscode. Before this I used Sublime Text for years and years, but cursorless is too good for coding. I know there are some projects on going to port it to different editors, but I haven't massively looked into it.

- vimium extension for web browsing (works in both chrome and firefox). This makes things like clicking links easier with your voice, without having too use an eye tracker all the time.

And then hardware:

- DPA 4488 microphone -> DAD6001 microdot-XLR converter -> Shure X2U USB XLR interface. ~£800. It's a very expensive microphone, but it's what the developer of talon uses (same brand anyway), and since I'm using this for work I want to remove every obstacle to having my voice recognised correctly and quickly

- Tobii Eye Tracker 5. ~£250. This is basically the only game in town. It works well enough but needs a lot of light. It also needs to be physically mounted to a monitor. In theory this means I don't need to use a mouse, but because I have a 34" ultrawide it doesn't work well on the edges, so I have a specific window size and location configured (say "layout mouse") which I could move apps into if I need to.

- At some point soon I want to replace the X2U with something higher quality and more permanent on my desk. Soon!

If you're programming, and open to doing it by voice, definitely check out Cursorless: https://www.cursorless.org/

It's worth mentioning Talon[0] here, which is a system for offline voice control as well, with great python-based scripting.

Using your computer or programming with it works like a charm, with some interesting and impressive projects like Cursorless[1] coming out as well, based on it.

[0]: https://talonvoice.com/

[1]: https://github.com/cursorless-dev/cursorless

Disclaimer: not affiliated, just a happy occasional user

I don't use Meow, so this may be wildly off the mark (no pun) here. But I use and really like expand-region for selection and marking. With modal editing, I imagine it would be extremely fast and intuitive.

I think the following packages would fit your wishlist, as it is very similar to mine. As mentioned in the replies, there is (https://github.com/magnars/expand-region.el) and (https://github.com/mickeynp/combobulate). I regularly use (https://github.com/Fuco1/smartparens).

Paredit, Speed-of-thought lisp, Helm, perhaps Lispy but I am not using it myself. I found expand-region to work really well when writing and modifying elisp. lisp-extra-font-lock if you want some more blink (and font-lock-studio). Helpful is very good to have instead of built-in help, it displays the source code by default as well as symbol properties. It is a very informative learning experience to see how built-in stuff is implemented. I am quite lazy to press extra in built-in help to see the source code, but with Helpful, you get it auto in the same window, whicih is great for learning. Seeing symbol properties is sometimes a time saver so you don't have to M-: and type an Elisp function to see the symbol properties when debugging. Learn Edebug, it is very useful built-in application for Emacs Lisp development.

Exactly. Consider you have point in a table definition. You can programmatically find which org element you are in, at least for org-mode. Or in a defun for elisp-mode, a sentence or paragraf in plain text and so on. You could just press a shortcut, and based on major-mode you could find boundaries of the element and put it in hidden-list. It would be really fast to work that way. I don't know if it already exists in some package. Or you could go for somewhat easier version, and just check if a region is active, and if it is, hide region, and if not, hide current line, or based on mode, hide element at point. That way we can easily expand/contract region with er/expand-region and press a key to temporary hide/unhide it. It is not difficult to write a function to do that based on text properties. Thing-at-point might be useful here too.

https://github.com/magnars/expand-region.el is your friend. I use the built-in equivalent of it in IntelliJ all the time. it's a bit like a vi text objects in the simplest possible way.

Thanks, I will give paredit a shot.

I'm a regular emacs user, but I normally use expand-region[1] and cut/paste to edit lisp code. Expand-region usually knows what I want to move around after just one or two calls, only requires one key binding, and has visual feedback. And it works great in every language I have used.

https://github.com/magnars/expand-region.el

One thing that I always missed is the ability to select a whole function in C#, but I thought I just didn't know the right package or it was something trivial to do ad-hoc. Surprisingly, up to these days I still couldn't find anything. I bumped into the expand-region package at some point, which is awesome, but still something was missing. After going through the Emacs Lisp Intro tutorial, I learned a bit how to search things in a buffer, and I was also editing csharp files every day, so I decided to try to implement the functions myself. Fast forward some weeks, here I am, with a smile on my face :)

The package for growing the selection is the excellent expand-region by Magnar Sveen

If you want to try out some third-party packages in the beginning, I think the most "bang-for-your-buck" you'll get is with Avy. Also, expand-region. And specifically for writing: olivetti-mode, flyspell, dictionary, and Nicolas Rougier's Nano and Elegant Emacs setups.

You will probably like expand-region.el. It is fantastic for selecting inside brackets, quotes, etc.