cpmish VS RunCPM

Compare cpmish vs RunCPM and see what are their differences.

cpmish

An open source sort-of CP/M 2.2 distribution. (by davidgiven)

RunCPM

RunCPM is a multi-platform, portable, Z80 CP/M 2.2 emulator. (by MockbaTheBorg)
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cpmish

Posts with mentions or reviews of cpmish. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2022-03-12.
  • Found this guy sitting in my University’s ewaste room…
    1 project | /r/retrobattlestations | 13 Jun 2023
    If you don't find the original and want to do your own, let me gently plug https://github.com/davidgiven/cpmish as a turnkey CP/M build system? Some of the commands are a bit janky but it should be easier than rolling your own. There's a choice of the original DR BDOS and CCP or ZCPR3 and ZSDOS.
  • Teaching myself how to write CP/M assembly-language programs on my Japanese word processor.
    1 project | /r/retrocomputing | 29 Oct 2022
    I actually have a project where I'm trying to collect provably open source classic CP/M software and integrate it into a turnkey build system, at https://github.com/davidgiven/cpmish/tree/master/third_party. There's some tools there you might find useful, such as a Basic, about three text editors, a good debugger, a shitty Z80 assembler which I wrote (I have yet to find a classic one with a license attached), and a copy of Star Trek. It's aimed at producing bootable disks but as you already have a working system you won't want that, but you should be able to just pull the .COM files out (file a bug and I'll try and make that easier).
  • Picked this baby up for $25 today!
    1 project | /r/vintagecomputing | 23 Sep 2022
  • MS-DOS was *not* an illegal clone of CP/M
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 15 Aug 2022
    Huh. Lost my part-written comment somehow.

    Anyway, hi, author/submitter here.

    I have heard several versions of this story. Most seem to be unsubstantiated AFAICT.

    The one that seems to add up is that Dr Kildall claimed that only he knew why some DOS APIs took the exact parameters they did.

    Which ISTM is fair enough, if they were written using DR documentation. As I said, DR intended the API docs to be for app writers, but that didn't stop people using them to write compatible OSes, and lots of companies did.

    That's how come David Given's amazing CPMish OS was possible:

    https://github.com/davidgiven/cpmish

    CPMish combines existing BDOS and BIOS replacements and other components. It puts together so many existing replacement parts for parts of CP/M-80 that nothing of the original was left. Theseus' ship, in software:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

    There was a code investigation that looked for any DR code in the early MS-DOS binaries:

  • Ask HN: Why are there not a lot of hobby/professional Linux phones?
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 24 Apr 2022
  • CP/M bringup on a Brother WP1 word processor
    3 projects | /r/retrobattlestations | 12 Mar 2022
    cpmish is actually mine. It's a proper open-source CP/M clone distribution I've been working on: https://cowlark.com/cpmish/ It's 'ish' because unfortunately Caldera's license for real CP/M has bugs in it and so I can't use any of it. This version's actually using ZCPR and ZSDOS.
  • Teardown of a Brother WP-1 Z80-based word processor from 1985
    1 project | /r/retrocomputing | 6 Mar 2022
    I do have CP/M ported to a few of these machines. https://cowlark.com/cpmish/
  • Before I had a computer...
    1 project | /r/retrocomputing | 28 Jan 2022
    I've done some reverse engineering on these, and have CP/M running on at least some of them! https://cowlark.com/cpmish/
  • 6502 vs. Z80
    1 project | /r/retrocomputing | 4 Nov 2021
    OTOH the Z80 will run CP/M, or an open source CP/M clone (I made one! http://cowlark.com/cpmish), which will give you access to a huge variety of ancient software which will work out-of-the-box --- excellent if you want a Cobol compiler or to use WordStar. Also, CP/M is pretty easy to port due to its modular design.
  • Build an 8-bit retro computer powered by a Z80 !
    1 project | /r/vintagecomputing | 1 Nov 2021
    http://cowlark.com/cpmish/ is a proper open-source CP/M clone which runs on the Z80. It's based on ZSDOS and ZCPR1, it's got a turnkey cross-compilation build system which builds everything (including utilities written in C which include an assembler, editor and interactive debugger, plus R.T.Russell's superb BBC Basic port) and spits out a disk image file. It contains no Digital Research code for licensing reasons. It's probably the easiest way to get a CP/M clone up and running on now hardware.

RunCPM

Posts with mentions or reviews of RunCPM. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2022-03-29.
  • What's the oldest technology you've had to deal with in your career?
    1 project | /r/sysadmin | 15 Aug 2022
    I happen to have an emulated CP/M 2.2 installation quick to hand to run old word processors, so let's take a look.
  • Running CP/M on the Raspberry Pi Pico
    2 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 29 Mar 2022
  • What is a good "lower level" language to learn after learning python to gain a deeper understanding of computers?
    1 project | /r/learnprogramming | 29 Jan 2022
  • Ask HN: Are impressive new programs being written for CP/M?
    5 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 1 May 2021
    There are no doubt some systems still running under emulation doing the same thing as they were 40 years ago. But the truth is CP/M is dead. Long live CP/M!

    It's just hobbyists now. One hacker ported his game to a Kaypro under CP/M a couple years ago: http://www.chrisfenton.com/dd9-kaypro-edition/

    Much of the focus is on porting CP/M to whatever new or old Z80 system someone has built or found. I can't think of anything particularly dazzling besides the above, in terms of recent new programs, but here are some pointers if you wanted to write something yourself!

    RunCPM is a CP/M Z80 virtual machine under modern OSes for development etc. https://github.com/MockbaTheBorg/RunCPM

    CP/Mish is an attempt to bring all the free software CP/M tools together. It is to CP/M as Linux is to UNIX, or FreeDOS is to MS-DOS. A mostly complete, improved, libre reimplementation: https://github.com/davidgiven/cpmish

    Also from David Given (and not CP/M specific) is Cowgol. Alpha quality. But it's a self-hosted Pascal/Ada-like language with compiler. Runs on 8-bit systems, at least theoretically. It is written, of course, entirely in Cowgol: https://github.com/davidgiven/cowgol

    Millfork is a language which targets CP/M systems, among others. It's a whole-program optimizing compiler for a language somewhat lower level than C, with properties that make it very nice to compile for 8-bit systems like no recursion, and no automatic promotion to 16-bit integers in type handling: https://github.com/KarolS/millfork

    SDCC supports the platform with C surprisingly well. I wouldn't call it rock-solid but compared to the above toys it is an industrial quality compiler for the Z80. In fact, C seems to be the most common actual language for hobbyist and the little remaining serious Z80 development, probably ahead of assembly.

    If it just reads and writes the terminal and can fit in 64 KB, then a port is probably straightforward.

What are some alternatives?

When comparing cpmish and RunCPM you can also consider the following projects:

RomWBW - System Software for Z80/Z180/Z280 Computers

z80 - A z80 emulator written in C99.

z80-playground-cpm-fat - CP/M for the Z80 Playground that runs on the FAT disk format

Z80 - Highly portable Zilog Z80 CPU emulator written in ANSI C

millfork - Millfork: a middle-level programming language targeting 6502- and Z80-based microcomputers and home consoles

RunCPM_RPi_Pico - RunCPM for the Raspberry Pico

cowgol - A self-hosted Ada-inspired programming language for very small systems.

RetroWiFiModem - An ESP8266 based RS232 <-> WiFi modem with Hayes AT style commands and LED indicators

cpmhttpd - A basic web server for CP/M

brother-wp-software - Brother Word Processor Software