Apache Camel VS Spring Boot

"correct" is a value judgement that depends on lots of different things. Only you can decide which tool is correct. Here are some ideas:

- https://camel.apache.org/

- https://www.windmill.dev/

- https://github.com/huginn/huginn

Your idea about a queue (in redis, or postgres, or sqlite, etc) is also totally valid. These off-the-shelf tools I listed probably wouldn't give you a huge advantage IMO.

Apache Camel Apache Nifi Spring Cloud

This reminds me more of Apache Camel[0] than other things it's being compared to.

> The process initiator puts a message on a queue, and another processor picks that up (probably on a different service, on a different host, and in different code base) - does some processing, and puts its (intermediate) result on another queue

This is almost exactly the definition of message routing (ie: Camel).

I'm a bit doubtful about the pitch because the solution is presented as enabling you to maintain synchronous style programming while achieving benefits of async processing. This just isn't true, these are fundamental tradeoffs. If you need a synchronous answer back then no amount of queuing, routing, prioritisation, etc etc will save you when the fundamental resource providing that is unavailable, and the ultimate outcome that your synchronous client now hangs indefinitely waiting for a reply message instead of erroring hard and fast is not desirable at all. If you go into this ad hoc, and build in a leaky abstraction that asynchronous things are are actually synchronous and vice versa, before you know it you are going to have unstable behaviour or even worse, deadlocks all over your system and the worst part - the true state of the system is now hidden in which messages are pending in transient message queues everywhere.

What really matters here is to fundamentally design things from the start with patterns that allow you to be very explicit about what needs to be synchronous vs async (building on principles of idempotency, immutability, coherence, to maximise the cases where async is the answer).

The notion of Apache Camel is to make all these decisions a first class elements of your framework and then to extract out the routing layer as a dedicated construct. The fact it generalises beyond message queues (treating literally anything that can provide a piece of data as a message provider) is a bonus.

[0] https://camel.apache.org/

Since you're writing a Java app to consume this, I highly recommend Apache Camel to do the consuming of messages for it. You can trivially aim it at file systems, message queues, databases, web services and all manner of other sources to grab your data for you, and you can change your mind about what that source is, without having to rewrite most of your client code.

For a simple sequential Pipeline, my goto would be Apache Camel. As soon as you want complexity its either Apache Nifi or a micro service architecture.

🐪 Apache Camel : Camel JBang, A JBang-based Camel app for easily running Camel routes.

Apache Camel

So, my advice is this. Expand your knowledge. Pursue higher education on topics you are familiar with, but also explore topics you are not. Read documentation, but question it. I just found out about something called Apache Camel today that I am excited to read up on. Why is it better than Spring? Is it really? What's happening here? This is always what excites me as a developer and engineer. There is so much to learn.

- Usually manually wired and configured vs the spring boot "starter" pattern of having libraries that automatically do some of the manual setup work for you: https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-boot/blob/main/spr...

I wish more client library sets had the feature-matrix that the pulsar one does, because in practice most end up being the same: Java supports everything because it's either built in the same codebase or is the most used client and gets the most support, while the dotnet client codebase has many feature-requests or performance improvement issues, often leading to a "third-party client" being created.

https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-boot/pull/39754/co...

If you’re currently running with an earlier version of Spring Boot, I recommend that you upgrade to Spring Boot 2.7 before migrating to Spring Boot 3.0. It minimizes compatibility issues as much as possible.

Okay, we need to build the game? No problem, we will use Spring Boot and Swing!

It's weird that some people including you directly attack my competence. As a power user you should have plenty of experience getting something to work that is not properly document, does not work how the documentation promised it to, or has weird problems on top of it. Look at idiotic things like this:

https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-boot/issues/33044

Take any similar issue and you'll see a bunch of people who try to find a solution for them because they just aren't repeatable at all. The underlying issue is the auto configuration doing things you can't follow quite properly. It's like it wasn't mean to be understood. Issues like the one I linked above also show me that the spring dev crowd also doesn't understand the ecosystem anymore. The problem is complexity and automagic.

An interested reader can decide for themselves:

https://github.com/spring-projects/spring-boot/tree/main/spr...

Explicitly decoding URL query parameters occurs less often because many frameworks, including Spring Boot, handle decoding automatically.

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