bluebubbles-server VS airmessage-web

I know there is a Feature Request to Enable End-to-End Encryption for BlueBubbles but any idea when that will be implemented?

Created Corresponding GitHub Issue here

what version of the server and app are you using. there has been a recent update that fixed an issue like this. i think 1.9.1 app and 1.1.3 server https://github.com/BlueBubblesApp/bluebubbles-server

Has anyone tried out the open source project BlueBubbles?

"Server for forwarding iMessages to clients within the BlueBubbles App ecosystem"

You have to have a mac desktop/laptop/VM to use it. Pretty complex setup process, but looks promising.

https://github.com/BlueBubblesApp/BlueBubbles-Server

Download & Changelog: https://github.com/BlueBubblesApp/bluebubbles-server/releases/tag/v0.3.0

Not sure about the accessibility issue, but can you try updating your server? The crash loop sounds like a ngrok failure, which is resolved in the new version. Link here: https://github.com/BlueBubblesApp/BlueBubbles-Server/releases/tag/v0.1.20

I understand your stance of only using AppleScript for AirMessage, as it allows for an installation that anybody can do on any supported Mac. It is nobody's fault except for Apple's that accessing many of iMessage's features requires the SIP to be disabled. Below, I will be quoting u/mqudsi from their article "iMessage for Windows - A labor of love that will never see the light of day" (a long, but very interesting read that I highly recommend). It seemed at the start that the best bet would be to focus on the (extremely limited) surface area of iMessage functionality exposed to AppleScript, which could be used – with some awkwardness and lots of guesswork – to at least implement some basic message forwarding capabilities. [...] but it soon became apparent that Apple had gone out of their way to quite intentionally and very secretively4 break even what limited functionality the AppleScript approach offered. I was aware that old versions of OS X did not sufficiently lock down AppleScript in such a way that would prevent the use of OS X as an iMessage proxy, and could have resorted to that approach from the very start. But I wanted to do this and I wanted to do it right. I wanted an elegant approach that I could deploy on the same machine I still used from time to time, without being stuck on an ancient (and insecure) legacy version of OS X and then, from the footnotes 4 Apple has never officially recognized the breakage of the AppleScript API, which blocked many operations pertaining to accessing existing chats and creating new ones, in subsequent macOS releases. 9 Messages.app doesn’t even offer AppleScript integration for incoming SMS messages, meaning there was no AS-based approach to getting notifications on incoming text messages from users not on the iMessage network. In this project, u/mqudsi did a wonderful documentation of what it was like to try and figure out iMessage forwarding from macOS. Whether or not his final solution required the SIP to be disabled, I'm not sure, but it sounds like he felt a newer version of macOS with the SIP disabled was more secure than using a legacy version that had more options available through AppleScript. Now, I am not going to argue against your point that disabling the SIP can be dangerous, and it can give an app unwanted access to important system files. However, I will argue that there are power users and other users who know exactly what they're doing, and who have no problem with disabling SIP in the name of accessing more features. There are even users who don't know much about it, but who are willing to learn. That was my case eight years ago when I first jailbroke my iPod Touch because I wanted more features (at the time, theming app icons and having animated scroll pages). I have been running jailbroken iOS every day since then, and I have been doing it safely and efficiently. At first, I had no idea what I was doing, but thanks to countless YouTube tutorials, written articles, and the help of r/jailbreak, I am now much more familiar and well-versed in the practice. In terms of macOS, my Mac has had its SIP disabled for close to eight months now with no problem, and with access to many iMessage features for both BlueBubbles and MyMessage. Even the OP of this post replied Yeah, I'm cool with running my Mac with SIP disabled, and while I am assuming here, I feel like they are just like I was eight years ago when I decided I was okay with jailbreaking my iPod, even if I wasn't 100% sure about how to do it. Now, I am going to steal/paraphrase an explanation from isaac#9000 from Discord. A computer, like a knife, is a tool. A dull knife, while a safer tool, is not as effective as a sharp knife. However, a dull knife is safer. Companies can choose to ship out dull knives in the name of keeping their customers safe, but it would be much better if they actually taught people how to safely use a sharp knife instead of restricting them to only being able to use a dull knife. Then, those who want to use a sharp knife can do so, and those who want to use a dull knife can also do so. This is just about exactly how I feel about the topic. In not having AirMessage utilize any features that require the SIP disabled, you are keeping the users much more safe. However, some users want to use a sharper knife and they know how to do so or are willing to learn. I feel like making an option to use AirMessage with the SIP disabled would be a good route to take, and of course I would recommend hiding it behind a bunch of warning screens and confirmation boxes so that you can verify that whoever wants to access those features/versions is able to knowingly do so. At the end of the day, AirMessage is your app, and all of the official versions should follow your vision for the app. As I understand it, you have a mission to make it as streamlined and easy as possible to install and set up AirMessage, and I both respect and commend that. With the recent release of AirMessage Cloud to the public, I feel like you have greatly improved the ease and usability of the application for new and inexperienced users, and that is great work that I'm sure the entire AirMessage community appreciates. If this vision of AirMessage is what will prevent it from implementing SIP disabled versions or jailbroken iOS versions, I understand that. However, you do seem at least somewhat open to the idea, as in this comment you showed approval for doing some kind of combination of AirMessage/SMServer so that the servers and clients could communicate with each other. SMServer can only run on jailbroken iOS, which is, in essence, very similar to SIP disabled macOS. Even if AirMessage were to one day implement a no SIP version, I do not expect you or anybody else to heavily promote it to the masses. This is a modification that can be dangerous, as you've said, but with the proper guidance and warnings, I am sure that people will be okay. I only really follow one rule for my computers'/smart devices' safety, and it protects both the modified and non-modified ones - Don't install anything that you don't trust or know where it came from. By following this one simple rule, I am sure that 99.99% of people will be okay. And even now, there are new tools such as iSecureOS by u/GeoSn0w that keep jailbroken iOS devices safe from malware and other vulnerabilities. I am sure that a similar tool exists or will exist for Macs that have their SIP disabled. I'm sorry for the lengthy response, but it is a topic that is very important to me. Let me know what your thoughts are, and as always, thank you for all your work on this amazing app.

What I do is have a Mac Mini acting as a server and run Airmessage on it, you can access your iMessages via a webpage on any device: https://web.airmessage.org/

If you have a mac in your house, you can install BlueBubbles on it and give yourself nearly full iMessage capabilities on any non-Apple device. AirMessage a a simpler but less featureful alternative. My wife and I have ours set up on a mac mini and can happily use any device we want without facing the ire of friends and family - as long as you add your email address instead of your phone number to conversations.

When I launched web.airmessage.org and signed in with MS Edge, it said "hey theres a windows app for this on the store, do you want to download it?" And I did, and its great! In my case both the web interface and the app show conversations that Im not sure how to delete, and yet they have been deleted on my iphone. They are spam texts

I use AirMessage for this. I installed the server app on an old iMac I have, and open a tab on my Windows computer pointed to web.airmessage.org

should I set this in web.airmessage.org ? i can't find Settings here. neither in AirMessage server.

Everything is working, except for one thing. I cannot seem to get AirMesssage For Web (web.airmessage.org) to work on my iPad and/or iPhone. What happens is that when I go to that URL, it loads the website with the "Sign In To Google" button. Sometimes when I click on the button, nothing happens. Sometimes when I click on the button, it brings up the Google Accounts chooser, but then when I click on the account that is connected to AirMessage, it just brings me back to the AirMessage For Web page with the "Sign In To Google" button again. It never loads up my iMessages and keeps me in a sign-in loop.

Why it's not flawless: Occasionally the Android app doesn't want to connect to the server for whatever reason, but in that case I just go to web.airmessage.org and text from there using my phone's web browser. It usually resolves itself in the app within a few minutes, Sometimes the app doesn't want to send/download pictures/videos as well. For that, I use the same workaround as before and just use the web text service. I have never had a situation where I wasn't able to get a message out through either the app or the website. I only have to manually fix the server maybe 2-5 times a year when the computer crashes or a power-outage occurs.

Way easier to just run it in a browser https://web.airmessage.org/

Hey guys! My web.airmessage.org is bugging out. it wont save any new messages, and when i refresh the page, it just reverts back to "yesterday morning". doesn't download any new messages.