awesome-fediverse VS kbin

It's always the same comment: X is different from A, therefore X is not a good replacement for A.

The whole point of federation is to avoid the problems we're seeing with Facebook, with Instagram, with Reddit, with Twitter: control over your internet content. Not having a mega-corp bent on maximizing profits and using you as a milking cow, but instead have a say and have actual power in how communities are built and managed. It is 100% expected that Lemmy or KBin is different from Reddit. You say that's not a good user experience, but I challenge that assertion: I say it's not a bad UX, but it's a different UX, and you don't want to change. Well, if you don't want to change, stay on Reddit, that's not a problem. But if you're going to investigate what the fediverse is, please learn what it's about, how it's built. Don't expect to find the same old world you know, that's on purpose !

> It makes no sense to me at all

You're on HN, a forum where members pride themselves in being intelligent enough to dig around, learn by themselves, be different, hack around. You haven't made efforts understanding how the fediverse works, or why it's different, and your conclusion is _not_ that you should investigate, but that you should complain that it's too different. I don't understand this reasoning.

I think an issue in the mentality in this forum is that people mostly expect products, ie a package that is made by an entity and that is served to users. The package is expected to be complete, shiny, wonderful, the entity is expected to do whatever it takes to convince users. It's an asymmetry that is completely opposite to the whole concept of being a hacker, which is supposed to be the H of HN.

Here's a good post explaining what the fediverse is about: https://medium.com/@VirtualAdept/a-friendly-introduction-to-...

And here are a few links and resources if you want to go deeper: https://github.com/emilebosch/awesome-fediverse

most main instances of the fediverse (I think): https://github.com/emilebosch/awesome-fediverse

> I applied for mastodon

which server?

there are multiple server-side platforms too, incl. some forks, so if mastodon.social is not for you – look around for better lighter alternatives (as well for self-hosting)

start around here: https://github.com/emilebosch/awesome-fediverse#applications

One will notice the regrettable duplication in that list, and it's (AFAIK) a massive unsolved problem in the Fediverse. My mental model is that Lemmy is exactly like signing up to mailing lists but where one can also upvote and downvote posts (err, some instances don't allow downvotes, so there's that). That means that folks who want the most coverage for their submission will post it to every one of the duplicated mailing lists, which results in their own message-id along with their own threaded replies and upvote/downvote scores. Some folks have proposed using the link-url and subject for deduplicating them, but I believe it's just a proposal from the client side and the servers will do no such thing (although running your own instance hypothetically would allow for such customization)

There's also https://kbin.pub which is its own ActivityPub implementation and behaves a little different from Lemmy, I'm sure with good and bad parts. IIRC there's some federation drama between Kbin and some Lemmy instances, and (AFAIK) Kbin does not have any mobile apps whereas there are currently several which speak the Lemmy API. I'd credit it with "first mover effect" more than one being objectively better than the other

I do hope Lemmy catches on and siphons users off of Reddit because the rug-pull from Reddit was a trust-breaking middle finger, IMHO. I wished the same thing for Mastodon, too, but I think the inertia is just too strong with X

The Fediverse - which kbin is a part of - is a network of interconnected servers used for publishing content, much like Reddit. The benefit is that the Fediverse is decentralised and not controlled by any company or authority, cannot be monetised in the same sense as Reddit, and the code is free. Different servers - also called instances - are independent but communicate with each other.

There is pretty big one on kbin and iirc there is one on lemmy as well

There is pretty big one at kbin, specifically on the kbin.social instance

Lemmy https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy has definite technical advantages vs https://github.com/ernestwisniewski/kbin -- use of PHP is a bit of a red flag. I'm going to try a small ARM64 instance so explicitly supporting that is nice.

Lemmy (https://join-lemmy.org) and Kbin (https://kbin.pub) - those are like reddit, but federated (means there are multiple websites and are connected to each other so you can access "subreddits" of each of them, it's similar idea how e-mail works, you don't need to be on gmail to send e-mail to friend on gmail). The Kbin is distinct from lemmy, but it looks like you can access lemmy communities from kbin and vice versa. Also this might be useful https://github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instances

Sinon kbin (qu'il faut que je test).

You can use kbin instead, if the political views of Lemmy's developers makes you feel uneasy.