SOM VS crosstalk

Compare SOM vs crosstalk and see what are their differences.

crosstalk

Smalltalk-80 bare metal implementation for the Raspberry Pi (by michaelengel)
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SOM

Posts with mentions or reviews of SOM. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2023-08-26.
  • Which Interpreters Are Faster, AST or Bytecode?
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 20 Oct 2023
    A research field specific language based off a subset of smalltalk, that has been used for research in to just this kind of work for over two decades. It's not like the author went and chose or created something random. They used what folks in their field use. https://som-st.github.io/
  • Making Smalltalk on a Raspberry Pi (2020)
    3 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 26 Aug 2023
    > Smalltalkish

    Have a look at the SOM dialect which is successfully used in education: http://som-st.github.io/

    Here is an implementation in C++ which runs on LuaJIT: https://github.com/rochus-keller/Som/

    > unfortunately out of print book Smalltalk 80: the language and its implementation is commonly recommended

    I assume you know this link: http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/FreeBooks/BlueBook/Bluebook....

    Here is an implementation in C++ and Lua: https://github.com/rochus-keller/Smalltalk

  • SomSom, a Metacircular SOM
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 26 Apr 2021

crosstalk

Posts with mentions or reviews of crosstalk. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2023-08-26.
  • Making Smalltalk on a Raspberry Pi (2020)
    3 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 26 Aug 2023
    I don't know why this popped up again now, but it's nice to see that some people are still interested in this little Smalltalk 80 system (I'm the author, happy to answer your questions...).

    Code at https://github.com/michaelengel/crosstalk

  • Ask HN: What software stack to select for this boot to code computer?
    5 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 4 Mar 2023
    Your concept looks nice, it reminds me a bit of the Lisperati: https://www.hackster.io/news/the-lisperati1000-is-a-cyberdec...

    So, did you consider Lisp or maybe Smalltalk? Plan 9 or Inferno might also be options.

    Plan 9 comes in different variants, the "classic" one (with a Raspberry Pi port by Richard Miller) or 9front, an Inferno porting tutorial can be found at https://github.com/yshurik/inferno-rpi

    Lisp and Smalltalk can run with or without Linux underneath, e.g. on the Raspberry Pi.

    Bare-metal Lisp is available with interim: http://interim-os.com

    Finally, bare-metal Smalltalk is available in my crosstalk system: https://github.com/michaelengel/crosstalk

    Of course, Lisp and Smalltalk can also run hosted under Linux, e.g. using Squeak (https://squeak.org), Pharo (https://pharo.org) or InterLisp (https://github.com/Interlisp/medley).

    Or - a crazy idea - build an emacs-only machine. That would be fun! :)

  • Smalltalk-80 on Raspberry Pi: A Bare Metal Implementation
    1 project | /r/hypeurls | 1 Jan 2023
    1 project | /r/Boiling_Steam | 1 Jan 2023
    8 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 1 Jan 2023
  • Allwinner D1 Xv6 Port
    2 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 4 Sep 2022
    Author here - this xv6 port to the D1 (based on the riscv64 xv6 version developed at MIT) is an experimentation vehicle for me and my students since working with qemu alone can be a bit boring and it's easier to test some feature in a tiny OS. Of course, it's also fun to work on it...

    "...won't be big and professional like gnu." :)

    Based on the experiences with xv6, we are also working on porting some other non-mainstream systems to RISC-V hardware, including Plan 9, Inferno, Oberon, Smalltalk-80 (see my Raspberry Pi bare metal ARM version at https://github.com/michaelengel/crosstalk) and the f9 microkernel.

    If you have any questions about the xv6 port just ask.

    Shameless plug - I'm looking for a PhD student to work on OS/compiler/architecture-related topics in my research group here at Bamberg University (in the northern part of Bavaria in Germany).

    If you know someone who might be interested, please let them know...

  • On Learning Smalltalk
    5 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 11 Jan 2022
    What if those already-used tools weren't as-good for writing Smalltalk programs?

    ----

    > … its own OS and GUI.

    Well there are examples of bare metal Smalltalk (I'm guessing we could say the same of Java?)

        https://github.com/michaelengel/crosstalk
  • Are there any materials that go through the internals of smalltalk and/or teach you how to implement a smalltalk-like language?
    3 projects | /r/smalltalk | 27 Jun 2021
  • Symbolics Lisp Machine demo Jan 2013
    2 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 27 Apr 2021
    Well, you can run a bare metal Smalltalk-80 on the Raspberry Pi.

    https://github.com/michaelengel/crosstalk

  • I bought 200 Raspberry Pi Model B’s and I’m going to fix them
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 23 Jan 2021
    - NetBSD (https://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/evbarm/raspberry_pi/)

    - FreeBSD (https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Raspberry%20Pi)

    - Interim Lisp OS (http://interim-os.com - this runs on Raspi 2 only, so porting to the ARM v6 in the Raspi 1 would be a nice project) - btw., this is a project by Lukas Hartmann, who is also the creator of the open MNT Reform ARM laptop (https://mntre.com)

    - (shameless plug) my bare metal "crosstalk" Smalltalk-80 (https://github.com/michaelengel/crosstalk)

    I'm pretty sure this list isn't complete...

    Some operating systems are not supported at the moment:

    - OpenBSD only seems to support the Aarch64-based models 3 and 4

    - Haiku seems to be looking for a maintainer for the Raspberry port

What are some alternatives?

When comparing SOM and crosstalk you can also consider the following projects:

Som - Parser, code model, navigable browser and VM for the SOM Smalltalk dialect

Smalltalk - By the Bluebook implementation of Smalltalk-80

medley - The main repo for the Medley Interlisp project. Wiki, Issues are here. Other repositories include maiko (the VM implementation) and Interlisp.github.io (web site sources)

xv6-d1 - Port of MIT's xv6 OS to the Nezha RISC-V board with Allwinner D1 SoC

littlesmalltalk - Archive of Little Smalltalk (with updates to work on modern platforms). Also collects forks and documentation on this historic system.

pharoRaylib - Pharo Smalltalk bindings for Raylib game library

vagrant-opengenera - Convenience scripts to run Open Genera on Mac OS X or a modern Linux.

squeak.org - Squeak/Smalltalk Website

Spec-Gtk - Spec GTK bindings for Pharo

squeaker - Like Docker, but for Squeak. You know, for kids.

jsqueak - Unofficial repository for JSqueak: A Java implementation of Squeak Smalltalk.