dioxus VS blitz

There's also Tauri which https://dioxuslabs.com/ uses.

Dioxus Labs (http://dioxuslabs.com) | Founding Rust Engineer | San Francisco | in-person | Full-time | 125-150k | 0.5-3% equity

I'm Jonathan, the creator of Dioxus (YC S23). Dioxus is a popular crossplatform GUI library for Rust that, imo, is the easiest way to ship apps that are beautiful, fast, and robust.

Dioxus is quite popular, almost 20k stars on GitHub, and we recently raised a sizable seed round from "top vcs." We have a lot of exciting projects on the horizon:

- in-place binary patching for rust hotreloading (http://github.com/jkelleyrtp/ipbp)

- a WGPU powered HTML/CSS renderer (http://github.com/dioxusLabs/blitz)

- experiments with LLM-based component generation (http://github.com/dioxusLabs/dioxus-ai)

- upcoming mobile tooling

- TUI-based devtools for a ruby-on-rail like experience

- a deploy platform for web/desktop/mobile/backend and all the fun that entails...

I'm looking for a founding systems engineer passionate about Rust, WASM, apps, the web, compilers, linkers, and devex - basically someone who's not afraid of anything. Dioxus is a very lean organization and we've been able to move so quickly since we keep our team small and high trust. No annoying standups or corporate bureaucracy. If you want to contribute to OSS, move the needle, and work in a startup that's closer to deeptech with hard problems, this role is for you.

I'm specifically looking for people who are excited by this space and doing this type of work. If you're just looking for a job then this probably isn't the right role for you.

Apply on our yc page or are reach me directly at jon at dioxuslabs dot com

https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/dioxus-labs/jobs/dRPOo...

We have a web components example here: https://github.com/DioxusLabs/dioxus/blob/fd21c971038840130f...

Everything should work like normal except: attributes are not typed, custom event listeners must be implemented with web-sys

I think something like https://dioxuslabs.com could deliver native, cross platform apps and win back mobile.

While we took an in-depth look at Dioxus in this tutorial, there is still so much to learn. Luckily, Dioxus provides detailed documentation with references and cookbooks to guide developers. Make sure you check it out, and feel free to comment below with any questions.

You can probably imagine the challenges of integrating such a system in a robust way that does a good job and improves on the status quo. We felt like the Tauri implementation worked well for Tauri apps. But there’s a problem: it was so tightly coupled to Tauri that the work couldn’t be enjoyed by other projects (not even the ones like Dioxus who were using Tauri’s underlying technology of Tao + Wry).

We have a decent chunk of layout and paint implemented in https://github.com/DioxusLabs/blitz, which is targeting the "electron" use case (but with a rust scripting interface rather than a JS one).

The implementation is currently very immature and there are a lot of bugs and missing features (I only got a first cut of inline layout working yesterday (but we already have flexbox and grid implemented)), but we're already seeing pretty decent results on a bunch of real-world web pages and hope to be at the point where we can render most of the web (excl. JS) in the next 6 - 12 months.

There are some screenshots on the PR for the inline layout branch https://github.com/DioxusLabs/blitz/pull/63

Have you talked to the Dioxus people recently?

They're working on a project called Dioxus Blitz; from what I'm told, they're trying to implement a minimal browser target, that provides some basic DOM-like features and renders with wgpu.

It's not exactly what you're hoping for, but you might find common ground.

https://github.com/DioxusLabs/blitz

(Also, the Linebender project is working on Masonry, with FFI as a medium-term goal.)

Your proposal sounds very similar to what the Dioxus folks are doing on Blitz, which is using HTML/CSS as the languages but doing native rendering. WebF seems much further along, and I know they've been exploring other rendering engines, so it may be an interesting conversation for you to have with them.

Others have already mentioned inlyne and blitz, however given that you're interested in combining web UI with game/wgpu rendering you may be more interested in bevy_ui (and the higher level APIs like bevy_ui_dsl and belly that sit on top of this). Bevy UI is working on a HTML model and is specifically designed to integrate with Bevy's main game renderer and other infrastructure. It's worth noting that a 0.11 release of Bevy of due in next few days, and that UI is going to be a strong focus of the 0.12 release cycle: which should lead to significant development of bevy_ui, and either a doubling down on the "HTML-like UI" approach or a pivot to a new approach.

Here is an example: https://github.com/DioxusLabs/blitz/blob/master/examples/buttons.rs

> But no one is saying, "Hey I have a CSS 2.1 compliant rasterizer and compositor that you can use in your C++ or Rust environment!" are they?

There’s actually quite a lot of interesting work going on in that general space, has been in various forms for some years. A couple that immediately spring to mind:

• Azul <https://azul.rs/> builds on WebRender, as used in Firefox. I haven’t looked at it for a few years, but it looks to have grown quite interesting now.

• Blitz <https://github.com/DioxusLabs/blitz> is based on from-scratch implementations of CSS layout and rendering, and wgpu rendering. It’s not usable yet, but is a very interesting concept. If one happens to be familiar with React Native: it’s kinda like that, or React Native Web.

You may also be interested in https://github.com/DioxusLabs/blitz which aims to be a full HTML+CSS renderer on top of wgpu (but is currently not nearly as complete as inlyne).

If you are focused on performance we are working on a native renderer for Dioxus called Blitz. It is very incomplete right now, but in the future it will be much more performant than the current webview based approach.

There hasn't been too much progress on Blitz in the last few weeks (it will come), but there is now a new project Freya which is using a Dioxus frontend and rendering with Skia. That's currently using it's own layout system instead of Taffy though.