dioxus VS bevy

There's also Tauri which https://dioxuslabs.com/ uses.

Dioxus Labs (http://dioxuslabs.com) | Founding Rust Engineer | San Francisco | in-person | Full-time | 125-150k | 0.5-3% equity

I'm Jonathan, the creator of Dioxus (YC S23). Dioxus is a popular crossplatform GUI library for Rust that, imo, is the easiest way to ship apps that are beautiful, fast, and robust.

Dioxus is quite popular, almost 20k stars on GitHub, and we recently raised a sizable seed round from "top vcs." We have a lot of exciting projects on the horizon:

- in-place binary patching for rust hotreloading (http://github.com/jkelleyrtp/ipbp)

- a WGPU powered HTML/CSS renderer (http://github.com/dioxusLabs/blitz)

- experiments with LLM-based component generation (http://github.com/dioxusLabs/dioxus-ai)

- upcoming mobile tooling

- TUI-based devtools for a ruby-on-rail like experience

- a deploy platform for web/desktop/mobile/backend and all the fun that entails...

I'm looking for a founding systems engineer passionate about Rust, WASM, apps, the web, compilers, linkers, and devex - basically someone who's not afraid of anything. Dioxus is a very lean organization and we've been able to move so quickly since we keep our team small and high trust. No annoying standups or corporate bureaucracy. If you want to contribute to OSS, move the needle, and work in a startup that's closer to deeptech with hard problems, this role is for you.

I'm specifically looking for people who are excited by this space and doing this type of work. If you're just looking for a job then this probably isn't the right role for you.

Apply on our yc page or are reach me directly at jon at dioxuslabs dot com

https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/dioxus-labs/jobs/dRPOo...

We have a web components example here: https://github.com/DioxusLabs/dioxus/blob/fd21c971038840130f...

Everything should work like normal except: attributes are not typed, custom event listeners must be implemented with web-sys

I think something like https://dioxuslabs.com could deliver native, cross platform apps and win back mobile.

While we took an in-depth look at Dioxus in this tutorial, there is still so much to learn. Luckily, Dioxus provides detailed documentation with references and cookbooks to guide developers. Make sure you check it out, and feel free to comment below with any questions.

You can probably imagine the challenges of integrating such a system in a robust way that does a good job and improves on the status quo. We felt like the Tauri implementation worked well for Tauri apps. But there’s a problem: it was so tightly coupled to Tauri that the work couldn’t be enjoyed by other projects (not even the ones like Dioxus who were using Tauri’s underlying technology of Tao + Wry).

Not at this time, no. You can read more here: https://github.com/bevyengine/bevy/issues/11969

Bevy. A very young engine where you need to write the game entirely in Rust—that was appealing. But fatal flaws overshadowed everything: no editor, the engine brutally enforces the ECS approach, and the game's architecture must literally bend to fit this paradigm. So, you won't migrate to another engine at all—you just throw away all the code and start from scratch.

Missing one of the best choices as long as "maturity" isn't on the top of your list: Bevy - https://bevyengine.org/

Game engine written in Rust, leveraging ECS in almost every place and way, with a really capable WASM export option. Wrestling ECS for the first time might take you some time, but in my experience helps you keep game code as clean and decoupled as game code could be.

I don't see WASM/WebGPU changing anything when it comes to gaming, as an industry, personally. 3d visualizations and interactive websites? Yeah definitely a nice improvement over WebGL 2, if years late.

WebGPU is pretty far behind what AAA games are using even as of 6 years ago. There's extra overhead and security in the WebGPU spec that AAA games do not want. Browsers do not lend themselves to downloading 300gb of assets.

Additionally, indie devs aren't using Steam for the technical capabilities. It's purely about marketshare. Video games are a highly saturated market. The users are all on Steam, getting their recommendations from Steam, and buying games in Steam sales. Hence all the indie developers publish to Steam. I don't see a web browser being appealing as a platform, because there's no way for developers to advertise to users.

That's also only indie games. AAA games use their own launchers, because they don't _need_ the discoverability from being on Steam. So they don't, and avoid the fees. If anything users _want_ the Steam monopoly, because they like the platform, and hate the walled garden launchers from AAA companies.

(I work on high end rendering features for the Bevy game engine https://bevyengine.org, and have extensive experience with WebGPU)

I was working through an example in the repo for the Bevy game engine recently and came across this code

That's possible. I did spend quite a bit of time tinkering with compiler flags, and followed the recommendations.

Some notes I found just now seems to agree with my results, though: https://github.com/bevyengine/bevy/issues/3978#issuecomment-...

I cannot recommend immediate mode GUI programming based on the limitations I've experienced working with egui.

egui does not support putting two widgets in the center of the screen: https://github.com/emilk/egui/issues/3211

It's really easy to get started with immediate mode, it's really easy to bust out some UI, but the second you start trying to involve dynamically resized context and responsive layouts -- abandon all hope. The fact it has to calculate everything in a single pass makes these things hard/impossible.

... that said, I'm still using it for https://ant.care/ (https://github.com/MeoMix/symbiants) because it's the best thing I've found. I'm crossing my fingers that Bevy's UI story (or Kayak https://github.com/StarArawn/kayak_ui) become significantly more fleshed out sooner rather than later. Bevy 0.13 should have lots more in this area though (https://github.com/bevyengine/bevy/discussions/9538)

I've also been enjoying building My First Game™ in Bevy using ECS. The community around Bevy really shines, but Flecs (https://github.com/SanderMertens/flecs) is arguably a more mature, open-source ECS implementation. You don't get to write in Rust, though, which makes it less cool in my book :)

I'm not very proud of the code I've written because I've found writing a game to be much more confusing than building websites + backends, but, as the author notes, it certainly feels more elegant than OOP or globals given the context.

I'm building for WASM and Bevy's parallelism isn't supported in that context (yet? https://github.com/bevyengine/bevy/issues/4078), so the performance wins are just so-so. Sharing a thread with UI rendering suuucks.

If anyone wants to browse some code or ask questions, feel free! https://github.com/MeoMix/symbiants

These days, some game engines have done pretty well at making compute shaders easy to use (such as Bevy [1] -- disclaimer, I contribute to that engine). But telling the scientific/financial/etc. community that they need to run their code inside a game engine to get a decent experience is a hard sell. It's not a great situation compared to how easy it is on NVIDIA's stack.

[1]: https://github.com/bevyengine/bevy/blob/main/examples/shader...