devbox VS nixpkgs

There's also [devbox](https://github.com/jetify-com/devbox).

Tried a lot of them, and after a while I found the nix the package manager requires too many workarounds. Things don't just work. For example, installing alacritty requires an OpenGL wrapper. Neovim can't find libraries to build some plugins. Basically, anything GUI had issues.

In the end, `cargo install`, `go install` and download a release archive from github are simpler to script for most of the tools I use.

Yeah, the LSP situation remains a sore point, which is deeply unfortunate. One of the big reasons I like Gleam! Luckily, there are new contenders popping up to hopefully solve the issues with elixir-ls: try https://github.com/elixir-tools/next-ls or https://github.com/lexical-lsp/lexical. They might give a better experience.

> By the way, the official Elixir website recommends using Homebrew to install it. But almost everyone in the Github issues and comments says ASDF is the way to go.

The Elixir website is right. Just use Homebrew until you find a real need for asdf or similar tools. It's far simpler.

asdf (or mise[0]) is merely a way to manage different runtime versions between various projects, you would use it the same way as one might use rbenv/rvm, nvm/n, or even Docker/nix, and so on. You don't need it until you have several ongoing projects requiring different runtime versions. If you reach that point, great! It'll be worth the effort then, and it isn't difficult.

Personally, I just use Homebrew elixir for easy ad-hoc access to iex/livebook. If I truly need reproducible environments, devbox[1] (a sort of nix wrapper) is nice and extremely straightforward.

Tl;dr: Just use Homebrew. If your requirements expand beyond that, you'll have far more challenging problems to deal with.

[0] https://mise.jdx.dev/dev-tools/comparison-to-asdf.html

[1] https://www.jetify.com/devbox

Before I went on my Christmas vacation last year I wrote an article on how I use Nix in my Elm projects. At the time, I was pleased with my set up. However, not even a month would go by before my satisfaction was questioned. In early January, Carlo Ascani asked a question, on the Elm Discourse, about his Umbra project. I decided to explore his project and I soon discovered two files, devbox.json and devbox.lock, I had never seen before. This piqued my curiosity and I had to learn more. I followed the link to the Devbox website and feverishly read the docs. I... was... hooked. I was pleasantly surprised by its simplicity and it seemed to fit my use cases really well.

How does Flox compare to Devbox? https://github.com/jetpack-io/devbox

I've spent the last year managing all my packages with Devbox (https://github.com/jetpack-io/devbox).

Local dev, cloud dev, CI, production – all with the same config file. Fingers crossed my talk submission for PackagingCon gets accepted. It'd be awesome to share this new way of working with a wider audience.

> Now to figure out what a "flake" is…

Flake is a worthwhile addition to Nix that is worth learning. But like anything Nixian, it's not straightforward.

Have you checked out any of the tools that aim to simplify Nix experience? We built Devbox (https://github.com/jetpack-io/devbox) with this in mind.

Also devbox ( https://github.com/jetpack-io/devbox ) which is what this is for does not work on windows because of its Nix dependency.

For these reasons, I believe most developer environments should prioritize developer experience over fidelity. Tools like Containerized development environments and cloud emulators can strike the right balance and there’s no surprise that we see increased activity around devcontainers, and similar solutions.

Local first, cloud optional is the only way (IMHO) we're going to get people off their local laptop development setups.

We need to support local dev environments first, with the exact same config a developer can then move to the cloud.

See https://github.com/jetpack-io/devbox for how this can be achieved and https://www.mikenikles.com/blog/dev-environments-in-the-clou... for my thoughts after 3 years of working in this space.

Agreed. NixOS is a marvel of engineering to me, and kind of hard to go back from once you get used to it. Automatic snapshotting on every configuration change, the entire system state being configurable through text files and therefore never being ambiguous, being able to temporarily install stuff without it polluting your path for forever by using nix-shells, clearly being able to see and define stuff like boot parameters and kernel modules are just insanely wonderful things, all while still using (I think) a vanilla kernel and really no runtime overhead, allowing you to make an insanely lean system without ever being unsure if you're missing something. In my mind about as close to an "objectively better" way to handle an OS (at least for people who are technical). I have no desire to go back to any other distro for my server.

But the Nix language itself is really quite annoying. I mean, I've more or less gotten used to its annoyances, and I do think that some of the DSLs it has are excellent (I really like the Nginx and systemd configuration stuff, for example), and a lot of the configs are just `services.myservice.enable = true` which is fine, but a lot of the time I'm kind of confused about what syntax is allowed and how loops work and the like. It's not horrible or anything, just a bit annoying because I'll occasionally have to do a nixos-rebuild like three or four times because I messed up some subtle syntax, and it's especially annoying if I have to go dig at the root Nix package to find out what I did wrong [1].

I think decentralizing stuff in the form of flakes might be able to help with this, if for no other reason the area in which you'd be forced to look for configuration stuff could be reduced, but I do think NixOS would benefit from some rearchitecture.

[1] Which happened yesterday with an ethernet card configuration: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/nixos-24.05/nixos/modu...

I agree NixOS + docker/podman-compose is a good compromise but one has to be aware NixOS still run podman as root (1) [0]. What is very scary and defeat the purpose of rootless container.

- [0] https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/259770

I don't think there's a right way to do it, you are correct in that learning NixOS is pretty tedious.

Re: flakes, my personal opinion is to use flakes. While Flakes are imperfect, they still provide a lot of functionality that Nix doesn't otherwise have. In my mind, it's like Nix's equivalent of "Go modules" or something like that. I do feel like people who do not like flakes make many valid points (the boilerplate, the fact that the top-level flake expression is a subset of Nix for some reason, etc.) but the argument isn't that those problems shouldn't be solved, it's that flakes are a sub-optimal design. Since they're so proliferated throughout the ecosystem though, it is quite unlikely that Nix or any prominent fork will outright drop flakes support any time in the near future. For better or worse, Flakes are part of the Nix ecosystem for the foreseeable future. In my opinion, one may as well take advantage of that.

If you haven't already, I'd get your feet wet with installing Nix on a non-NixOS machine first, and please feel free to ask questions about Nix in the NixOS Discourse "Help" section.

I have some recommendations:

1. https://github.com/nix-community/nix-direnv - Since Nix derivations usually wrap around other build systems, the entire derivation is recomputed when any file in it changes; using direnv, you can just get your normal dev tools upon cd'ing into your project directories. This gives you a lot of the benefits of Nix during local development, but with your normal stack, and without needing to globally install anything.

2. If you are trying to build something, chances are you can find inspiration in Nixpkgs. Are you curious how you might package a Bevy game? No problem: literally search "bevy" on the Nixpkgs GitHub repo and see what comes up. I found a derivation that does: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/pkgs/games/jump...

3. If you use flakes, you should keep the flake "schema" handy. There are a lot of different kinds of flake outputs and there are different ways to specify the same thing, which is somewhat needlessly confusing; keeping the flake schema handy will make it easier to understand what Nix is looking for in a flake, which might make it easier to see what's going on (especially if it's obfuscated.) The most important takeaway here: A command like `nix run flake#attr` will try multiple different attributes. https://nixos.wiki/wiki/flakes#Flake_schema

4. Likewise, I really recommend reading up on what NixOS modules are. NixOS modules are the basis for configurations on NixOS, and having a clear understanding of what is even going on with them is a good idea. For example, you should understand the difference between the Nix language's `import` directive, and using the NixOS modules `imports` attribute to import other NixOS modules. Understanding how the configuration merge works saves a lot of headache, makes it easier to understand how people's configurations works, and also makes it easier to modularize your own NixOS configurations, too. https://nixos.wiki/wiki/NixOS_modules

Unfortunately though, there's just no way to make it "click", and I can't guarantee that it's worth all of the effort. For me, I felt it was, but yes, there's no one correct way to do it.

But please feel free to ask questions if anything seems confusing.

This will drop you into a shell where `tracexec` is installed.

[1]: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/310158

I don't think so. The article is probably intended for the Nix community, so the author doesn't need to convince HN that something is going on. If as an outsider you are interested then you need to look into it yourself, the community has no obligation to make their internal conflicts legible to the outside world.

As an outsider myself, it certainly looks like something is going on as more than 20 Nixpkg maintainers left in a week: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues?q=label%3A%228.has%3...

https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commits?author=neon-sunset

I see two signers in the top 6 displayed on https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/graphs/contributors

For a single file script, nix can make the package management quite easy: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/doc/languages-f...

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