Paket VS FrameworkBenchmarks

I'm not sure if it will help in your scenario, but faced with a similar problem (~80 project solution, mixed c#/f#, with varying dependencies), I found success with Paket (https://github.com/fsprojects/Paket)

It is much more prevalent in the f# community (at this point `dotnet restore` is a perfectly fine default until you hit trouble), but isn't limited to just being applied there.

You can find the official docs here: https://fsprojects.github.io/Paket/

Another thing that might be worth considering for you is Paket. This is an alternative to using nuget, directly, and will take a little bit of setting up (follow their instructions), but once you have it, it will make sure that all dependencies and transitive dependencies for all your projects are the same. Not 100% sure if this would solve the issue for you, and it might be tricky if the realApplication has unknown shared dependencies with the other projects, but you can give it a try.

Check out https://fsprojects.github.io/Paket/ and https://fake.build/ and https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/fsharp/get-started/get-started-vscode for playing with F#.

So I am stuck again when I want to create a web app. Don't laugh. Once again, I come from *NIX environment and the way everything is started in WebSharper is quite confusing at first. I tried to go installation documentation but I don't use Visual Studio nor MonoDevelop. Using paket also doesn't solve my problem since they also seem to use Visual Studio or MonoDevelop.

a bit of follow up: this is because the init command you ran defaulted to those frameworks. it could be smarter, or it could default to something more recent. I opened this PR to update this default.

If this would be true, there would be no reason for something like Paket to exist.

I agree with the author about the slow inner loop experience. Recompiling the whole app to see browser changes gets tiring. The .NET team is planning a series of updates to address this in .NET 6. https://github.com/dotnet/core/issues/5510

I also dislike the default workflow for dealing with Nuget forks. I switched to Paket for dependency management which makes this much simpler. https://fsprojects.github.io/Paket/

Also, I stumbled on this ticket https://github.com/fsprojects/Paket/issues/3064 which seems to confirm my fear that Paket is limited to importing files from Github, not entire packages, but I'm still hoping.

Since 2013, TechEmpower has established a backend framework benchmark. They meticulously define benchmark specifications and maintain an open-source approach that encourages contributions from the community. This benchmark has become a respected standard in the tech industry, serving as a reliable yardstick for technology competitors to assess the performance of their solutions (exemple Go Fiber, C# Asp.net, JS Just). So I can trust the Techempower benchmark.

Interested to see how this fares on Tech Empower's benchmarks: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=fortune&s...

At the moment it is at the bottom as a "did not complete"

It seems like Rust is doing a pretty good job of applying to web apps and APIs:

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks

It would still be slower :P

At least once you start "gaming" benchmarks interpreted and/or dynamically typed languages have a strict ceiling they can't really surpass (just.js doesn't count as it's as thin wrapper on top of C as it can get)

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=fortune&s...

(all top entries are bottlenecked by DB driver implementation and its ability to multiplex queries, and context switching cost, so those frameworks which can do perfect static partitioning and query multiplexing win out)

Neat. Thanks for sharing!

Interestingly, may-minihttp is faring very well in the TechEmpower benchmark [1], for whatever those benchmarks are worth. The code is also surprisingly straightforward [2].

[1] https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/

[2] https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/blob/mast...

ntex was formed after a schism in actix-web and Rust safety/unsafety, with ntex allowing more unsafe code for better performance.

ntex is at the top of the TechEmpower benchmarks, although those benchmarks are not apples-to-apples since each uses its own tricks: https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=fortune&s...

Ruby is slow. Very slow. How much you may ask? https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=fortune&s... fastest Ruby entry is at 272th place. Sure, top entries tend to have questionable benchmark-golfing implementations, but it gives you a good primer on the overhead imposed by Ruby.

It is also not early 00s anymore, when you pick an interpreted language, you are not getting "better productivity and tooling". In fact, most interpreted languages lag behind other major languages significantly in the form of JS/TS, Python and Ruby suffering from different woes when it comes to package management and publishing. I would say only TS/JS manages to stand apart with being tolerable, and Python sometimes too by a virtue of its popularity and the amount of information out there whenever you need to troubleshoot.

If you liked Go but felt it being a too verbose to your liking, give .NET a try. I am advocating for it here on HN mostly for fun but it is, in fact, highly underappreciated, considered unsexy and boring while it's anything but after a complete change of trajectory in the last 3-5 years. It is actually the* stack people secretly want but simply don't know about because it is bundled together with Java in the public perception.

*productive CLI tooling, high performance, works well in a really wide range of workloads from low to high level, by far the best ORM across all languages and back-end framework that is easier to work with than Node.JS while consuming 0.1x resources

Although that seems to have improved in recent years.

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#hw=ph&test=json§...