Jsonnet Alternatives

jsonnet reviews and mentions

• Kubernetes 101: Introduction
  2 projects | dev.to | 30 Jul 2024

  Kubernetes does not provide or require a configuration language like Jsonnet, as it provides a declarative API that can be used with different types of declarative specifications.

• A Reasonable Configuration Language
  1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 4 Feb 2024

  jsonnet[1] and kapitan[2] are the tools I currently use. Their learning curve is not optimal (and I tried to contribute to smoothen it with a jsonnet course[3] and a 'get started wit kapitan' blog post[4]), but once used to it it's hard to do without, and their combination makes them even more useful (esp. if you deploy K8s).

  In Ruud's case, Jsonnet might have been worth looking at as Hashicorp tools can be configured with json in addition to HCL. But that would have been less fun I guess ;-)

  I hope for Ruud it finds its niche, there's quite some competition in this field!

  1: https://jsonnet.org/

• Pkl, a Programming Language for Configuration
  12 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 2 Feb 2024

  Kubernetes config is a decent example. I had ChatGPT generate a representative silly example -- the content doesn't matter so much as the structure:

  https://gist.github.com/cstrahan/528b00cd5c3a22e3d8f057bb1a7...

  Now consider 100s (if not 1000s) of such files.

  I haven't given Pkl an in depth look yet, but I can say that the Industry Standard™ of "simple YAML" + string substitution (with delicate, error prone indentation -- since YAML is indentation sensitive) is easily beat by any of:

  - https://jsonnet.org/

  - https://nickel-lang.org/

  - https://nixos.org/manual/nix/stable/language/index.html

  - https://dhall-lang.org/

  - (insert many more here, probably including Pkl)

• Introduction to Jsonnet: The YAML/JSON templating language
  2 projects | dev.to | 24 Jan 2024

  jsonnet cli: link

• 10 Ways for Kubernetes Declarative Configuration Management
  23 projects | dev.to | 1 Jan 2024

  Jsonnet: A data template language implemented in C++, suitable for application and tool developers, can generate configuration data and organize, simplify and manage large configurations without side effects.

• -❄️- 2023 Day 4 Solutions -❄️-
  143 projects | /r/adventofcode | 5 Dec 2023

  [Language: Jsonnet] (on GitHub)

• What Is Wrong with TOML?
  15 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 13 Sep 2023

  Maybe you'd like jsonnet: https://jsonnet.org/

  I find it particularly useful for configurations that often have repeated boilerplate, like ansible playbooks or deploying a bunch of "similar-but" services to kubernetes (with https://tanka.dev).

  Dhall is also quite interesting, with some tradeoffs: https://dhall-lang.org/

  A few years ago I did a small comparison by re-implementing one of my simpler ansible playbooks: https://github.com/retzkek/ansible-dhall-jsonnet

• Show HN: Keep – GitHub Actions for your monitoring tools
  5 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 4 Sep 2023
• That people produce HTML with string templates is telling us something
  16 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 26 May 2023

  Apologies for the lack of context, and for missing this comment until today.

  Both are tools for defining kubernetes manifests (which are YAML) in a reusable manner.

  Jsonnet is a formally specified extension of JSON. It’s essentially a functional programming language (w/some object oriented features) that generates config files in JSON/YAML/etc, so it’s straightforward to determine whether an input file is valid, and to throw an error that points to an exact line if it’s not. It has a high learning curve, especially for people whose only experience is with imperative languages.

  https://jsonnet.org/

  Helm charts also generate YAML/JSON config files, but they use Go templating. This is easier and faster to understand, since it’s mostly string substitution and not much logic (there’s conditionals, iterators, and very basic helper functions). Unfortunately a simple typo or mistake can cause errors that are difficult to diagnose (the message may indicate a problem far away in code from the actual mistake). It can also generate output that’s valid according to the string templating rules, but not what was intended, which can be very confusing to debug.

  Despite these shortcomings, the vast majority of kubernetes applications are distributed as helm charts. I understand why things ended up this way, but I still wish it were more common for people to invest the upfront effort to learn the superior tool, so it could be more widespread.

• TOML: Tom's Obvious Minimal Language
  17 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 21 May 2023

  I like Google's Jsonnet [1], which has all of this except for 4.

  Jsonnet is quite mature, with fairly wide language adoption, and has the benefit of supporting expressions, including conditionals, arithmetic, as well as being able to define reusable blocks inside function definitions or external files.

  It's not suitable as a serialization format, but great for config. It's popular in some circles, but I'm sad that it has not reached wider adoption.

  [1] https://jsonnet.org/

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