Substrate Alternatives

substrate reviews and mentions

• Building a Slack/Discord Alternative with Tauri/Rust
  8 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 20 Jun 2023

  Haha, it's amusing that the history essays are one of the things you remember :)

  Yes you can compile Scala and ScalaFX apps down to native binaries this way. Look at Gluon Substrate:

  https://github.com/gluonhq/substrate

  One of our customers is experimenting with shipping such apps with Conveyor. There's a discussion ongoing here:

  https://github.com/hydraulic-software/conveyor/discussions/6...

  We got a console hello world working, albeit the DX is a bit rough. You need some ugly config boilerplate and some additional Native Image json files. But, it works, at least enough to create a Mac package with the regular Conveyor feature set. There are some limits though. I think the WebView doesn't work when the app is natively compiled this way.

  If it all starts working well it could be quite interesting for desktop app development, as suddenly you could use high level languages and portable UI toolkits but with the sort of startup time, performance and memory usage you'd expect from native apps (modulo binary size which is still quite large). If you want to use HTML as the UI then you can use the Chromium Embedding Framework, which would give you an Electron-like experience but with many more available languages:

  https://hydraulic.dev/blog/13-deploying-apps-with-jcef.html

  I've been using JVM GUI for years for various tasks. It was appropriate for Bitcoin tasks because it's immune to injection attacks, because you can run everything locally with P2P protocols like the original Bitcoin app did, it's portable etc. Also I learned GUI programming decades ago and find classical UI toolkit concepts like VBox, HBox, StackPane, TableView etc more intuitive than HTML.

• GraalVM Native Image — Faster, Smarter, Leaner
  6 projects | /r/java | 25 Apr 2023

  I ran into quite a few issues during Android/iOS development (e.g. java.util.prefs and GraalVM pulling in unused methods), but Windows was comparatively smooth. Most of my issues were related to understanding the toolchain,e.g., not knowing how arguments are passed to run.

• Question on JavaFX web applications
  6 projects | /r/JavaFX | 1 Feb 2023

  With JavaFX and Gluon Substrate + GraalVM you can even compile you app to an executable.

• What is your experience with GraalVM Native?
  5 projects | /r/java | 14 Jun 2022

  missing methods in Android library

• How does Gluon's GraalVM based substrate work?
  3 projects | /r/java | 4 Sep 2021

  Hello, I've recently stumbled across this project from Gluon and I've been wondering for some days how the project actually works. I've read the source code, but it appears that no code is responsible for implementing the hundreds of classes that make up JavaFX. Does this mean that JavaFX can work out of the box on IOS and Android but there didn't use to be a way to compile the code to a native executable for said platforms? Thanks in advance

• Experiences with ZGC on JavaFX?
  1 project | /r/JavaFX | 21 Mar 2021

  Don't tested memory difference myself yet but maybe your solution could be to convert to native with graalvm and gluon substrate? https://github.com/gluonhq/substrate

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