TidyverseSkeptic Alternatives

TidyverseSkeptic reviews and mentions

• Why Pandas feels clunky when coming from R
  2 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 23 Feb 2024

  I just don't get these to be honest -- besides the fact that author missed simple things like `df.groupby('var',as_index=False)`, isn't this obviously arbitrary "this is easier my way" complaints? (I did R before all the chaining stuff was popular, and I wouldn't stuff everything into a single command like that even now. It isn't like you get lazy evaluation or any special data processing magic.)

  So I get people love chaining and tidyverse, good for you, I don't. But at least I can acknowledge that my way (or this way) people have different preferences and one is not intrinsically easier.

  Norm Matloff has a blog where he essentially just argues the opposite of all the tidyverse stuff, https://github.com/matloff/TidyverseSkeptic, but it is the same idea in reverse to me (one is not obviously easier to learn than the other IMO).

• Where to learn R?
  5 projects | /r/math | 7 May 2023

  On the other hand, there is also a more traditional universe outside of the of the newer tidyverse approach. See the criticism of the tidyverse ecosystem by Prof Norm Matloff (of UC Davis). He provides a freely available introductory course in base R.

• I will take that odds
  1 project | /r/ProgrammerHumor | 31 Mar 2023

  Whenever I hear tidyverse, I just feel the need to leave this: TidyverseSceptic

• Base-R Is Alive and Well
  1 project | /r/rstats | 7 Aug 2022

  Yeah, I had never heard of him before, but I followed the link in the article above to his GitHub page and think he made some really great points about conciseness and clarity in base R code, and, I admittedly had no idea tapply() was so useful and easy to use, because I almost never see it used in any examples online. Although I agree with others here that he's misrepresenting why package developers use base R (which is to avoid dependences in their packages, which is very important), I also find myself agreeing with him that future R programmers not being taught base R is worrisome (I'm thinking of dependencies in future package development).

• Your thoughts on base R? I never considered it and, after reading seemingly know little about it.
  1 project | /r/rprogramming | 11 Jul 2022

  I was in an R group meeting. One of the members mentioned Prof. Norm Matloff and said he has comments about tidyverse. I searched and found Matloff's explanation here. What are your thoughts on tidyverse and Matloff's comments about it? As I read it, I found myself agreeing with certain points. I do not have a computer science background; I'm someone trying to learn coding because I see uses for it in my work. I started my learning, about a year ago, with tidyverse tutorials. My patchwork jumping around, maybe in addition to some of the gaps Matloff indicates, show me that I know very little about base R.

• In charge of making the transition from Excel to R at the office
  1 project | /r/rstats | 16 Jun 2022

  There are good arguments against tidyverse, especially for beginners. It doesn't lead to a growth in understanding the language fundamentals and requires to learn many functions, paradigms, and syntaxes not shared by base R, which can easily be overwhelming and lead to a learn-by-heart approach more than to a learn-by-understanding. There are many good articles on the topic, such as this one or a more in-depth one, suggesting to consider tidyverse a more advanced application for specific use cases, if you like the dialect. I don't, so I might be biased.

• Teaching R in a Kinder, Gentler, More Effective Manner
  1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 13 May 2022
• An opinionated view of the Tidyverse “dialect” of the R language
  1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 4 Apr 2022
• Thoughts on book?
  1 project | /r/rstats | 5 Mar 2022

  I would discourage you to get into the tidyverse, at least in the first stages of your R training. It's like trying to learn english AND scottish together as a foreigner. You can read some better worded discussions here https://github.com/matloff/TidyverseSkeptic and here https://towardsdatascience.com/a-thousand-gadgets-my-thoughts-on-the-r-tidyverse-2441d8504433?gi=1b0a3648b6e6

• Ho everyone I am R beginer. I need to to change the data type of these two columns, I tried as many ways I could find on the internet but it just won't work for me. This is really frustrating especially when you are a beginer, can you pleae provide a solution ? Thanks a lot in advance !
  1 project | /r/Rlanguage | 19 Jul 2021

  My opinions are largely in agreement with Norm Matloff on the subject actually.

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