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Steve: We're getting a basic version that was built uniquely for this. We're building it on Svelte, which I'm very excited about as well, and so getting that. Step one is getting that initial piece in place, but then all the places we can take this product. Like, could you theoretically work on your workflows and integrate the TypeScript SDK into our UI? And what are all the possibilities of user interfaces that we can build on top of this technology? I think that for us that's the really, really exciting part. Step one is to get to a parity with a foundation that we feel really comfortable iterating on. And then next year, I think, is the year that we start to iterate on that and add a lot of features.
Steve: We're getting a basic version that was built uniquely for this. We're building it on Svelte, which I'm very excited about as well, and so getting that. Step one is getting that initial piece in place, but then all the places we can take this product. Like, could you theoretically work on your workflows and integrate the TypeScript SDK into our UI? And what are all the possibilities of user interfaces that we can build on top of this technology? I think that for us that's the really, really exciting part. Step one is to get to a parity with a foundation that we feel really comfortable iterating on. And then next year, I think, is the year that we start to iterate on that and add a lot of features.
Steve: But now there's a lot of stuff happening in WebAssembly. And a lot of the companies like what Netlify and Vercel, and Cloudflare are doing around developer ergonomics pieces like the actual abilities of the web platform. After taking a whole bunch of quantum leaps over the last ten years, I think it's ready to take a whole nother set of quantum leaps that I'm really, really excited for opening up a whole new set of possibilities as well.
And then the thing that Temporal brings to the table is there are other services that do a similar thing, but a lot of them you write this weird JSON file or a weird YAML file where it's like not a programming language. But there's still all of a sudden; you’re putting like an if in a string. And they have their own kind of weird DSL. And so what Temporal brings to the table is like, what if you just wrote Go or JavaScript and just wrote your code, and we'll take care of the pieces that could fail?
Steve: And deploy that. So I found myself doing more and more of that across a whole bunch of different teams. So around that overlap between when Twilio had acquired SendGrid and when SendGrid was inside of Twilio, I had joined that team. And then J.R. had actually become, like I mentioned, the chief architect for all of Twilio, which meant I had only been SendGrid’s's front-end architect for two, three months. And I really felt like, yes, this was like…there was some imposter syndrome moving into this new role.
Steve: Yeah, we all have a holiday right coming up. Avoid your family and learn about Redux.
Steve: Yeah. For the industry at large, I am somewhat tired of the joke that there's a new front-end framework every three months because that slowed down for the second half of 2018. React kind of won in a jQuery-like way. And things slowed down. The joke didn't go away.
And he had wanted to do a free course; I think to promote his business at that point. And they were like, "Well, we have one in Rails." And they're like, "Would you like to do one on jQuery?" He's like, "No, but I'll do it." So he did this intro course on jQuery. And it was made free. And I was a Pro*C teacher at the time. And I was like, oh okay, yeah, I'll take this.
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