Delta Chat – decentralized chat via email

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  • deltachat-core-rust

    Delta Chat Rust Core library, used by Android/iOS/desktop apps, bindings and bots 📧

  • DeltaChat isn't limited to a fixed group of people either? [1] And supports forwarding just fine. [2]

    I think the useability problem is just that webmail as a whole has generally been stripped of features. If Gmail wasn't as constrained a client, you'd be able to do everything without caring if you had a "DeltaChat" client. It isn't an email-or-DeltaChat question. Both interact fine.

    But the clients people are currently using go out of their way to make it harder/impossible to do simple things.

    [1] https://github.com/deltachat/deltachat-core-rust/blob/master...

    [2] https://github.com/deltachat/deltachat-core-rust/blob/master...

  • milter-xmpp

    A simple postfix mail filter ("milter") that converts emails to XMPP messages

  • https://github.com/sessionbird/xmpp-smtp-gw

    https://github.com/Puppet-Finland/milter-xmpp/

    Btw, when I click "open source" link on delta chat website, I may be not the only one expecting to be taken to the source repository instead of definition of what open source is. I found the actual link, just a suggestion.

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  • ox-coi

    Discontinued OX COI Messenger - a Flutter app for the COI (Chat Over IMAP) standard

  • https://github.com/coi-dev/ox-coi

  • Glasscord

    Discontinued [BUGFIXES ONLY, SUPPORT WILL DROP MAR 1, 2021] Injecting composition effects into Electron applications!

  • It's slow to start, constantly downloads a bazillion updates. Information-wise, it's not very dense. It's hard to customize; doing so requires a bunch of hacky stuff: https://github.com/AryToNeX/Glasscord/wiki/Installation

    Using a third-party client is a bannable offense under the terms of service. I hate the little "emoticon" icons that are all over the place. It set itself to auto-start on boot (this behavior may be different on win/mac). I don't like trusting it with my messages. It tries to show what applications users are running at the moment. There have been some improvements, but I still don't trust the security of electron.

    These are some of the ones I can remember off the top of my head. Generally, it always seemed like it was both trying to baby me and seem "cool". It's many of the things I hate in modern software in one application.

  • Mailpile

    A free & open modern, fast email client with user-friendly encryption and privacy features

  • > Email is not decentralized. It relies on the central authority of domain registries.

    By that definition, almost every chat app is centralized, especially if you include the step of downloading it over HTTPS. In any case, it would be possible to further enhance email using something like SMTorP so that .onion addresses are used instead.[0]

    > And then if you do decide that whatever encryption scheme you've chosen is right for you, there's no guarantee any significant mass of people supports it.

    The same is true of any system which is proposed as an alternative to email. Admittedly it will be difficult for a UI to convey the security properties of messages when you are interacting with users whose email clients don't support the recommended extensions, but there is always the risk that a recipient will copy-paste the plaintext of your securely sent message into an unsecured channel.

    [0] https://github.com/mailpile/Mailpile/wiki/SMTorP

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