Reactive Clojure: You don't need a web framework, you need a web language

• derby

  2 4,687 0.0 JavaScript

  MVC framework making it easy to write realtime, collaborative applications that run in both Node.js and browsers

  

  one that sort of fell by the wayside when Meteor and Ember got popular, was/is Derby.js/ShareDB. https://github.com/derbyjs/derby https://derbyjs.com/ https://github.com/share/sharedb

  The LiveView lead resurgence in server side rendering is exciting. Does anyone have any insight as to why ShareDB never really took off?

• sharedb

  0 5,705 8.9 JavaScript

  Realtime database backend based on Operational Transformation (OT)

  

  one that sort of fell by the wayside when Meteor and Ember got popular, was/is Derby.js/ShareDB. https://github.com/derbyjs/derby https://derbyjs.com/ https://github.com/share/sharedb

  The LiveView lead resurgence in server side rendering is exciting. Does anyone have any insight as to why ShareDB never really took off?

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• Preact

  40 34,471 9.3 JavaScript

  ⚛️ Fast 3kB React alternative with the same modern API. Components & Virtual DOM.

  

  Preact is React without the fluff - https://github.com/preactjs/preact

  loc in a node project is hard to judge due to packages and the aforementioned mono repo difference, but the preact functional build artefact is an order of magnitude smaller:

• hotwire-rails

  1 960 3.2 Ruby

  Use Hotwire in your Ruby on Rails app

  

  I think Phoenix LiveView (posted recently on HN: https://fly.io/blog/how-we-got-to-liveview/) and Rails Hotwire (https://hotwired.dev/) are the main alternatives that have momentum right now.

  The general idea being to abstract away the difference between client and server code, so that you can write code that handles both, in a single file.

  > There has got to be a better way

  What's offensive about the OP to you? Is it just that you don't like functional programming / Clojure (fair, that's ultimately a matter of taste / aesthetics at some level)? Or is there something about the technical implementation you think is suboptimal?

• Meteor JS

  14 43,507 9.9 JavaScript

  Meteor, the JavaScript App Platform

  

  This reminds me of Meteor.js[0] from back in the day (2014?), which had a very similar approach—you wrote code that ran on both the frontend and the backend, and database updates were propagated automatically. It suffered from a pretty hard reliance on Mongodb and its own package manager (Atmosphere), and it was at odds with the rest of the JS ecosystem which was settling on NPM.

  This project looks very cool! I like the focus on composition, Meteor was lacking that (and really, most other frameworks do as well).

  [0] https://www.meteor.com/

• imba

  16 6,011 9.3 JavaScript

  🐤 The friendly full-stack language

  

  This reminds me a lot of imba[1], which mixes the front end and the back end. Though ReactiveClojuse seems to be more about reasoning in terms of a lisp for all parts of the app, whereas imba is more focused on reducing syntax noise as much as possible.

  [1] https://imba.io

• reactor

  1 555 2.8 Python

  Phoenix LiveView but for Django

  Thank you for posting those, I wanted to post them but I don't comment often (). Wanted to chip in another contemporary: edelvalle/reactor, which is inspired by LiveView[0].

  [0]: https://github.com/edelvalle/reactor

  I am using Hotwire for a project, and I'm learning Elixir and Phoenix on the side. Finding edelvalle/reactor was immediately helpful to me though, because I cut my teeth on Python/Django, so reading a Python reference implementation helps me learn nuts and bolts of libraries, faster. (so, I figure that this might help someone else grok how these approaches work.)

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• aleph.js

  6 5,149 8.8 TypeScript

  The Full-stack Framework in Deno.

  

  Coincidentally, Alephjs (https://github.com/alephjs/aleph.js) added a commit hours ago that also seems to solve this particular problem for React.

  So now there's a React hook (useDeno) that takes a callback that is only executed on the server-side, and the returned value is sent back to the client side.

• inertia-laravel

  1 1,718 1.3 PHP

  The Laravel adapter for Inertia.js.

  

• pathom

  0 599 0.0 Clojure

  Pathom is a Clojure(script) engine for processing EQL requests.

  Yeah you were mistaken, it's a full stack design. They recommend https://github.com/wilkerlucio/pathom for the connection. It's GraphQL done right, you write data "resolvers" on the backend, you declare very flexible graph queries on the front end -> this populates client DB and then fulcro uses that to render frontend.

  Highly recommend reading through this section: https://book.fulcrologic.com/#FullStack

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