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I do appreciate your point of view on this, and I hope I did not come across as dismissive of your choice. If it was a thorough evaluation of the capabilities, and it did not seem able to provide the user interactions you needed, I'm sure that is then a reasonable enough basis. My knee-jerk reaction however, was to think this might have been made without properly evaluating the capabilities of the platform. If I head over to https://gallery.flutter.dev/#/crane, I am annoyed by how "app-like" it feels. I'm in a browser, I should be able to select tings. Clicking and dragging isn't supposed to scroll, it's supposed to select. It feels all wrong. But then again, this was mostly when coming at it from a "this is a website" approach. If the use case is to develop an app, then the conventions used have not felt weird to me.
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I want to love flutter, and I am personally using it in my startup, but issues like this one is seriously concerning https://github.com/flutter/flutter/issues/76180
I really do believe in flutter's future though. Developer experience has been a blast. coming from iOS I've saved so much time with hot reload
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If you prefer Kotlin you may find https://developer.android.com/jetpack/compose more to your tastes.
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> Was being able to easily inspect and change what was happening in apps you didn't have intentional source access for (web pages/apps) not key to that?
I got into web design/programming in the 90s, and the answer is basically no. Sure you could poke around a bit, but I never found it to be a revelation. I still had to buy books, read blogs, and do a ton of trial and error. Also, it was a never-ending game of trying to testing to see what each new browser release added or broke.
We are in infinitely better position today thanks to open source. The "View Source" of today is GitHub. Want to write a high-performance dynamically typed language VM? Here: https://github.com/v8/v8 Build an operating system? OK: https://github.com/torvalds/linux Build a database? Here you go: https://github.com/postgres/postgres
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One suggestion: It would help if there was an easy to access demo app that I could point people to to showcase Flutter.
The flutter gallery is useful for developers, but it's not a good showcase for what a real world Flutter app would look like.
The new Flutter Folio app ( https://flutter.gskinner.com/ )looked promising, but then I had to scroll way down to see the actual app links. The Web link looked promising, but I hit a brick wall when it wanted me to register a new account before I could do anything ( https://www.flutterfolio.com/builds/latest/web-build-auto/#/ )
Can we get an accessible, up-to-date, canonical Flutter demo app that doesn't require account creation, logins, or any other friction?
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Thanks - not what I'd expect, but I can repro. Bug filed here:
https://github.com/dart-lang/sdk/issues/45197
It is AOT though. If you time `dart a.dart` vs `./a.exe` (pre strip :-), the latter should be considerably faster.
