trunk VS vite

Note that Leptos uses Trunk to serve the client side application. Trunk is a zero-config Wasm web application bundler for Rust.

I've been using Rust and WASM for my latest front-end project, and I think this setup is a viable alternative to commonly used JS frameworks for those willing to put in some effort to ramp up on new technology. Addressing the concerns from the article:

"No universal import system" - Rust has it's own module system and Cargo is used for managing dependencies, no need to worry about different module systems.

"Layers of minification, uglification, and transpilation." Just compile Rust to WASM file for the browser, same as using any other compile target.

"Wildly different environments." Something that you'll still need to deal with. Some runtime dependencies are system-specific (code running on the browser usually needs access to Web APIs, and JavaScript, code running on the server can't access WebAPIs but can access the system clock and filesystem. Sometimes separate libraries or separate runtime configs are needed (e.g. configurable time source)

"Overemphasis on file structure." Not a problem for imports, but you may still have file structure dependencies things like CSS, image resources etc.

"Configuration hell." Pretty much non-existent once you have your Rust compiler setup locally.

"Development parity." Just use trunk: https://trunkrs.dev/, to watch, build and serve, config is minimal.

Trunk, the Rust-equivalent of Webpack & Vite, comes with tailwind built-in. You heard that right! You don't even need to install the tailwind CLI via npm or something like that. No more package.json! <3

Can you not use dioxus with "trunk" (https://trunkrs.dev/) ?

Thanks a lot! As I said in an earlier comment, building this allowed me to explore a lot of features of rust like Traits, Dynamic Dispatch, Pattern Matching, Const evaluation, Static variables, etc. and that on top of that trying to figure out how to conveniently port it to WASM was also a nice learning experience. I am currently using trunk as a bundler which ties in neatly with a GitHub action but before that, I tried cargo-run-wasm, which felt a little hacky. So overall a whole lot of learning.

Here here. I don't think programmers - as a group - get to complain about people not learning programming tools while simultaneously making them so unapproachable (especially Linux things).

It's not just the overuse of acronyms. There's also:

* Religious devotion to the CLI despite it having terrible discoverability.

* Really bad naming. Git is probably the worst offender at this, but the whole of Unix is a naming mess. WTF is `usr`? Is that where user files go?

* Generally over-complicated tooling. A good example of this is Node/NPM. So complicated to set up! Contrast it with https://trunkrs.dev/

* Deification of distro packages. No I do not want to spend half of my development time packaging my app for 10 different distros. I guess I'll go with curl | bash then.

* Distain for binary app distribution. I'm looking at you glibc.

I used Notan for drawing the game board in combination with the excellent egui for adding UI elements. It was surprisingly easy to bring it to web with Trunk.

Hi, the author of MailCrab here :-) Yew is nice, especially if you enjoy writing Rust. However, it definitely takes more time and dedication than writing a frontend in React, Vue etc. Yew and the surrounding ecosystem keeps improving, and it is way more usable than when I first tried it. The tooling I used (Trunk https://trunkrs.dev/) is very minimal with respect to the number of features compared to many of the popular web-bundlers (Webpack etc.) but it works well for most simple use-cases.

Yew is way way nicer in that regard because it uses Trunk which is very excellent and you don't have to deal with any of that really. Just trunk serve and away you go. Plus you get the advantage of not having to deal with Javascript. Typescript is nice, but it's no Rust.

The alternative to wasm-pack is trunk. I've never used it, so I can't tell you how good it is.

Without any adding any dependencies you can connect react props to raw css at runtime with nothing but css variables (aka "custom properties"). If you add CSS modules on top you don't have to worry about affecting the global scope so components created in this way can be truly modular and transferrable. I use this with vite.

Little confused as to why it has vite in it‘s name, it seems unrelated to https://vitejs.dev/

it says in their docs that they recommend Vite https://vitejs.dev/

it goes like this.

1. you create a repo folder, you cd into it.

2. you create a client template using vite which can be plain typescript, or uses frameworks such as react or vue, at https://vitejs.dev/guide/

3. you cd in that client directory, you npm install, then you npm run dev, it should show you that it works at localhost:5173

4. you follow the instructions on your url, you do npm install @web3modal/wagmi @wagmi/core @wagmi/connectors viem

5. you follow the further instructions.

> It seems like this is for npm or yarn to pull from a remote repository maintained by @wagmi for instance. But then what?

you install the wagmi modules, then you import them in your js code, those code can run upon being loaded or upon user actions such as button clicks

> Do I just symlink to the node_modules directory somehow? Use browserify? Or these days I'd use webpack or whatever the cool kids are using these days?

no need for those. browserify is old school way of transpiling commonjs modules into browser-compatible modules. webpack is similar. vite replaces both webpack and browserify. vite also uses esbuild and swc under the hood which replaces babel.

> I totally get how node package management works ... for NODE. But all these client-side JS projects these days have docs that are clearly for the client-side but the ES2015 module examples they show seem to leave out all instructions for how to actually get the files there, as if it's obvious.

pretty much similar actually. except on client-side, you have src and dist folders. when you run "npm run build" vite will compile the src dir into dist dir. the outputs are the static files that you can serve with any http server such as npx serve, or caddy, or anything really.

> What gives? And finally, what exactly does "browserify" do these days, since I think Node supports both ES modules and and CJS modules? I also see sometimes UMD universal modules

vite supports both ecmascript modules and commonjs modules. but these days you'll just want to stick with ecmascript which makes your code consistently use import and export syntax, and you get the extra benefit of it working well with your vscode intellisense.

> In short, I'm a bit confused how to use package management properly with browsers in 2024: https://modern-web.dev/guides/going-buildless/es-modules/

if people want plain js there is unpkg.com and esm.sh way, but the vite route is the best for you as it's recommended and tested by the providers of your modules.

> And finally, if you answer this, can you spare a word about typescript? Do we still need to use Babel and Webpack together to transpile it to JS, and minify and tree-shake, or what?

I recommend typescript, as it gives you better type-safety and better intellisense, but it really depends. If you're new to it, it can slow you down at first. But as your project grows you'll eventually see the value of it. In vite there are options to scaffold your project in pure js or ts.

First you have to know that all those react projects are created using Vite, and for each of them, you need change the vite.config.ts file by adding the following configuration:

CSSHooks works with React, Prereact, Solid.js, and Qwik, and we’re going to use Vite with the React configuration. First, let's create a project called css-hooks and install Vite:

JavaScript React Flowbite Tailwind Firebase - Auth, Database, and Hosting Vite

For this full-stack single-page app, you'll use Vite.js as your frontend build tool and the react-beautiful-dnd package for draggable items.

Vite

Imagine a shiny new React app — that’s what we’ll build! We’ll use a cool tool called Vite to set it up.

Vite is a blazing fast build tool that significantly improves the development experience for React applications. It leverages modern browser features such as native ES module imports to provide near-instantaneous development server startup and rapid hot module replacement (HMR) updates. This makes the development process incredibly smooth and efficient, especially for large-scale projects.