trio VS ideas4

Compare trio vs ideas4 and see what are their differences.

trio

Trio – a friendly Python library for async concurrency and I/O (by python-trio)

ideas4

An Additional 100 Ideas for Computing https://samsquire.github.io/ideas4/ (by samsquire)
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trio

Posts with mentions or reviews of trio. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2023-12-09.

ideas4

Posts with mentions or reviews of ideas4. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2023-08-18.
  • WTF is going on with R7RS Large?
    2 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 18 Aug 2023
  • Async rust – are we doing it all wrong?
    9 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 19 Jul 2023
    How would you do control flow and scheduling and parallelism and async efficiently with this code?

    `db.save()`, `download()` are IO intensive whereas `document.query("a")` and `parse` is CPU intensive.

    I think its work diagram looks like this: https://github.com/samsquire/dream-programming-language/blob...

    I've tried to design a multithreaded architecture that is scalable which combines lightweight threads + thread pools for work + control threads for IO epoll or liburing loops:

    Here's the high level diagram:

    https://github.com/samsquire/ideas5/blob/main/NonblockingRun...

    The secret is modelling control flow as a data flow problem and having a simple but efficient scheduler.

    I wrote about schedulers here and binpacking work into time:

    https://github.com/samsquire/ideas4#196-binpacking-work-into...

    I also have a 1:M:N lightweight thread scheduler/multiplexer:

    https://github.com/samsquire/preemptible-thread

  • It Took Me a Decade to Find the Perfect Personal Website Stack – Ghost+Fathom
    14 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 9 Jul 2023
    My blogging/journalling setup is simple.

    I just use GitHub. I just rely on the default repository view on GitHub.com

    I create a README.md and add markdown headings to the bottom or to the top (bottom if its a journal, top if it's a blog) and then when I get to 100-800 I create a new repository and repeat.

    https://github.com/samsquire/ideas (2013)

    https://github.com/samsquire/ideas4

    https://github.com/samsquire/ideas3

    https://github.com/samsquire/ideas2

  • Ask HN: Could you show your personal blog here?
    55 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 4 Jul 2023
    Thanks for posting this Ask HN question.

    I journal ideas and thoughts about computers and software. I am interested in software architecture, parallelism, async, coroutines, database internals, programming language implementation, software design and the web.

    https://github.com/samsquire/ideas (2013)

    https://github.com/samsquire/ideas2

    https://github.com/samsquire/ideas3

    https://github.com/samsquire/ideas4 <-- this is recent but needs editing

    https://github.com/samsquire/ideas5 <-- this is what I'm working on now

    https://github.com/samsquire/startups

    https://github.com/samsquire/blog <-- thoughts I want to write about, but incomplete

    I use README.md on GitHub and create a heading at the bottom for each entry. I use Typora on Windows or the GitHub web interface to edit.

  • Our Plan for Python 3.13
    10 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 15 Jun 2023
    My deep interest is multithreaded code. For a software engineer working on business software, I'm not sure if they should be spending too much time debugging multithreaded bugs because they are operating at the wrong level of abstraction from my perspective for business operations.

    I'm looking for an approach to writing concurrent code with parallelism that is elegant and easy to understand and hard to introduce bugs. This requires alternative programming approaches and in my perspective, alternative notations.

    One such design uses monotonic state machines which can only move in one direction. I've designed a syntax and written a parser and very toy runtime for the notation.

    https://github.com/samsquire/ideas5#56-stateful-circle-progr...

    https://github.com/samsquire/ideas4#558-state-machine-formul...

    The idea is inspired by LMAX Disruptor and queuing systems.

  • io_uring support for libuv – 8x increase in throughput
    3 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 28 May 2023
    This is really good. Thank you!

    I've been studying how to create an asynchronous runtime that works across threads. My goal: neither CPU and IO bound work slow down event loops.

    I've only written two Rust programs but in Rust you presumably you can use Rayon (CPU scheduling) and Tokio (IO scheduling)

    I wrote about using the LMAX Disruptor ringbuffer pattern between threads.

    https://github.com/samsquire/ideas4#51-rewrite-synchronous-c...

    I am designing a state machine formulation syntax that is thread safe and parallelises effectively. It looks like EBNF syntax or a bash pipeline. Parallel steps go in curly brackets. There is an implied interthread ringbuffer between pipes.

      states = state1 | {state1a state1b state1c} {state2a state2b state2d} | state3
  • What Is Type-Level Programming?
    3 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 3 May 2023
    This is very interesting and could lead to some futuristic programming technology.

    I kind of want to plot the state space of a program to see all available states.

    In my exploration of distributed systems, microservices and multithreaded systems, it is extremely helpful to try and see what potential states the system can be in. Global and local reasoning of these kinds of software is rather difficult.

    I've written about value tracing but I've not heard of treating values as types. I would love to be able to see the trajectory of a value through different states.

    https://github.com/samsquire/ideas4#571-value-calculus-varia...

    I've never written a TLA+ specification and I'm a complete beginner to this space but I've been trying to understand the dining philosophers one. TLA+ Toolbox is aware of discrete states in the state space, which is absolutely awesome. Types can inform us about future possible valid states.

    I began writing a visualisation of memory and animated the movement of memory around to try reveal patterns.

    https://replit.com/@Chronological/ProgrammingRTS#index.html

    If we see types or values as positions, we can create animations of the state space unfolding in front of us. This is the dream.

  • Late Architecture with Functional Programming
    2 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 30 Apr 2023
    Great comment!

    >I think late architecture is orthogonal to functional, imperative

    Absolutely. From a truly architectural view, procedural, functional, and method-oriented (current OO) are really only variations on the call/return architectural style. Good and sometimes important distinctions, but not really that far apart. They are very much about computing, results from inputs. That is an appropriate architecture for fewer and fewer programs.

    See Why Architecture Oriented Programming matters

    https://blog.metaobject.com/2019/02/why-architecture-oriente...

    and

    Can Programmers Escape the Gentle Tyranny of call/return?

    https://2020.programming-conference.org/details/salon-2020-p...

    > its solution is higher level than even functional programming

    Yes. Well, functional actually gets most of its utility from being lower level as far as paradigms go (less powerful). But yes.

    > and more abstract

    No. Well, yes, if expressed with current programming languages. But that's part of the problem set, not part of the solution set. We should be able to express our architectures less abstractly, more concretely, but for that we need linguistic support. Which is why I am working on that:

    http://objective.st

    > I want software architecture to be cheap and easy to change without breaking any existing behaviours. I don't know much research on this subject.

    There was quite a bit of research at CMU, for example on packaging mismatch. Famous paper Architectural Mismatch, Why Reuse is so hard, and the 10 year follow up in 2009: Architectural Mismatch: Why Reuse is Still So Hard

    https://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=107...*

    Not much has changed since.

    > https://github.com/samsquire/ideas4

    > https://devops-pipeline.com

    Will check those out. Dataflow is definitely a big part of it, with the extension of dataflow constraints (make, spreadsheets, "FRP"/"Rx"). But so is in-process REST with Storage Combinators!

    And breaking down barriers between scripting and "real" programming.

  • Service Mesh Use Cases
    2 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 11 Feb 2023
    Thanks for this.

    I have never deployed a server mesh or used one but I am designing something similar at the code layer. It is designed to route between server components. That is, at the architecture between threads in a multithreaded system.

    The problem I want to solve is that I want architecture to be trivially easy to change with minimal code changes. This is the promise and allure of enterprise service buses and messaging queues.

    I have managed RabbitMQ and I didn't enjoy it.

    If I want a system that can scale up and down and that multiples of any system object can be introduced or removed without drastic rewrites.

    I would like to decouple bottleneck from code and turn it into runtime configuration.

    My understanding of things such as Traefik and istio is that they are frustrating to set up.

    Specifically I am working on designing interthread communication patterns for multithreaded software.

    How do you design an architecture that is easy to change, scales and is flexible?

    I am thinking of a message routing definition format that is extremely flexible and allows any topology to be created.

    https://github.com/samsquire/ideas4#526-multiplexing-setting...

    I think there is application of the same pattern to the network layer too.

    Each communication event has associated with it an environment of keyvalues that look similar to this:

      petsserver1
  • Release engineering is exhausting so here's cargo-dist
    12 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 1 Feb 2023
    Thanks for remembering me :-)

    I would like things to run locally by default and then deployed to the cloud where they run.

    Should be easier to debug problems if I can get the code to my machine and investigate issues with tools that my computer has such as "strace", "perf" and debug logging that I liberally apply to the build script.

    In production we would have log aggregation and log search (such as ELK stack) and it is a good habit to get into the perspective of debugging production via tooling.

    But CICD feels before that tooling in the pipeline. You could wire up your CICD to log to ELK but I would prefer local deployable software.

    I think my focus on automating things means I want to be capable of seeing how the thing works without relying on a deployed black box in the cloud and using assumptions of how it works rather than direct investigation.

    One of my journal entries is almost a lamentation of all the things that need to be done to release and use software.

    This is that entry:

    https://github.com/samsquire/ideas4#5-permanent-softwareplat...

    I wonder if software could be deployed more like a URL that has all the information to configure a virtual machine. Docker over URL or something.

What are some alternatives?

When comparing trio and ideas4 you can also consider the following projects:

uvloop - Ultra fast asyncio event loop.

curio - Good Curio!

asyncio

Twisted - Event-driven networking engine written in Python.

LDAP3 - a strictly RFC 4510 conforming LDAP V3 pure Python client. The same codebase works with Python 2. Python 3, PyPy and PyPy3

DearPyGui - Dear PyGui: A fast and powerful Graphical User Interface Toolkit for Python with minimal dependencies

amqpstorm - Thread-safe Python RabbitMQ Client & Management library

pyzmq - PyZMQ: Python bindings for zeromq

txZMQ - ZeroMQ bindings for Twisted

quick-net - This is a top level socket library, making servers and clients EASY!

🚀 IPpy - :rocket: Ping IP addresses and domains in parallel to find the accessible and inaccessible ones.

NAPALM - Network Automation and Programmability Abstraction Layer with Multivendor support