Trilium Notes VS Joplin

https://github.com/zadam/trilium#trilium-is-in-maintenance-m... above and beyond the license difference between the two (I'm not looking for trouble, I'm only saying they are different)

It depends on what subset of Notion you use. Nothing (including Notion) is perfect for me. I'd like to build my own eventually, but I'm currently using Obsidian which doesn't hit your "works in the browser" requirement.

One option, which is open source and self hosted, is Trilium[sic], found at https://github.com/zadam/trilium It's open source, so if it's close to what you want, you might be able to adjust it to meet your needs.

Other commercial options include Realm, Tana, and Craft. With varying degrees of "AI".

I really like the UX of Tana for building out graphs of pages with properties, but it's slow to start up, doesn't support math, etc. So it's mainly a UX example for me.

I can also recommend Trilium Notes [1], which I have been happily using for years. It's currently in "maintenance mode", which I personally see as a feature (no risk of bloatware).

Self-hosted, great webapp, optional native clients and works offline.

https://github.com/zadam/trilium

Tried Obsidian for a while, loved a lot about it, but....mmm.

Obsidian out of the box is a bit limited; plugins are great and add tons of features, but then you start hitting issues with plugin maintainers abandoning plugins you rely on, or needing to make a decision between three different plugins that all do the same thing slightly different. Depending on your use case and expectations that may not be a big deal, but I really missed not having what I personally saw as core features not being officially supported.

(Also, FWIW, the sync service is a bit pricy for what it is. I get that it's how they're trying to monetise it, but...I would have preferred another pricing model, even if the total cost was just as high.)

I've personally switched to Trilium Notes which I'm finding nicer. One element I particularly like is that it has first class suport for notes being able to exist at multiple places in a tree simultaneously. I know it's a very personal thing, but for me personally being able to file notes in multiple locations "clicks" in a way that tags didn't.

Trilium Notes: https://github.com/zadam/trilium

A nice writeup on ways to use Trilium (although much of it applies to Obsidian too): https://github.com/zadam/trilium/wiki/Patterns-of-personal-k...

Then you come across Trilium and drop the mic

[0] https://github.com/zadam/trilium

I move between machines a lot and prefer an online tool; I'm self-hosting Trilium Notes https://github.com/zadam/trilium ; this looks a bit cleaner but without syncing (or server-side storage) it misses a bunch of potential use cases.

Joplin Official Website My current workhorse for fast, reliable notes.

You likely ran into this issue, which is a bug with onedrive itself: https://github.com/laurent22/joplin/issues/11489#issuecommen...

there will be a failsafe implemented for that issue in version 3.3

personally, I highly recommend using the s3 sync with cloudflare, it's faster than onedrive and it's pretty hard to exceed cloudflare's free tier

Thanks! I built the editor using Tiptap (https://tiptap.dev/) which doesn't support Markdown out of the box. However, since it can detect Markdown shortcuts (#, ##, >, etc.), it should be possible to convert a markdown file into rich text, and then when done writing and editing convert it back into markdown, while limiting formatting options only to ones that are available for both. I think Joplin (https://joplinapp.org/) does something similar.

I'll think about this for sure, especially since I've been thinking of making it possible to save and read local files. If you'd like to try Gorby, send me an email and I'll be happy to give you a free license code :)

I am using https://joplinapp.org for notes, using Dropbox for sync though (can also use NextCloud or other sources see https://joplinapp.org/help/apps/sync/

Joplin open-source tool, with paid Sync service. However, it supports WebDav sync. As a user of Fastmail have a lot lot of storage for it. Those parts work great, links, complexity level, and clear Markdown. Themes, mobile app, tags, everything I needed was there. Unfortunately, again, for short notes, my go-to app becomes memos, for long-form BookStack, seems to be the best solution. Why? Firstly my love for self-hosted solutions boomed, also Joplin even if looks perfect for my use case was some reason hard to describe and did not encourage me to write. Soo.. I back to Obsidian.

Longtime Joplin [1] user here, how does the most recent version of Zettlr compare? I have grown really comfortable with the simple interface of Joplin, plus using S3 for sync makes life easy for me as I'm living on my own infrastructure.

[1] https://joplinapp.org/