Apache Thrift VS Cap'n Proto

There are various notable implementations of RPC like Apache Thrift and gRPC.

> "Most of the logic inside the form has to be written two times: in PHP and in vue"

That's just your choice of how to build your app, right?

For an internal-facing employee tool - you could've just gone with rendering templates on the server and sending static HTML to the client. Have the business logic and validations take place on the server-side too. I'm sure you have your reasons for doing things the way you did, but it's not like there's only one way to build something like this.

> "Most enum types are repeated"

Here's just one of ten-thousand other battle-tested options you can use: https://github.com/apache/thrift/

> That's just your choice of how to build your app, right? You could've avoided this by rendering templates on the server and sending static HTML to the client, keeping the business logic on the server.

No, that's a requirement on most business cases, my comment stated 'complex and dynamic web apps'. Re-rendering the whole page everytime the user checks a box or clicks a button is (a) terrible UX, (b) hard to track the state between page refresh, (c) wrong practice and (d) bad performance.

> Here's just one of ten-thousand other battle-tested options you can use: https://github.com/apache/thrift/

Sure, I should setup a complex and huge dependency for just one of the many problems I highlighted. What a great idea

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The biggest addition is native async reading via futures::AsyncRead and futures::AsyncSeek, which required a lot of (to be merged) changes upstream (changes to thrift rust compiler and parquet-format-rs). I placed those changes on a temporary crate until things are released there.

- may massively reduce the latency involved.

Those sharing Cap'n Proto-encoded data may have particular interest. Cap'n Proto (https://capnproto.org) is fantastic at its core task - in-place serialization with zero-copy - and we wanted to make the IPC (inter-process communication) involving capnp-serialized messages be zero-copy, end-to-end.

That said, we paid equal attention to other varieties of payload; it's not limited to capnp-encoded messages. For example there is painless (<-- I hope!) zero-copy transmission of arbitrary combinations of STL-compliant native C++ data structures.

To help determine whether Flow-IPC is relevant to you we wrote an intro blog post. It works through an example, summarizes the available features, and has some performance results. https://www.linode.com/blog/open-source/flow-ipc-introductio...

Of course there's nothing wrong with going straight to the GitHub link and getting into the README and docs.

Currently Flow-IPC is for Linux. (macOS/ARM64 and Windows support could follow soon, depending on demand/contributions.)

The second one is to encode data in such a way that you can read it and operate on it directly from the buffer. You write data in a layout that is the same, or easily transformed as types in memory. To do that you usually need to encode with a known schema, only Sized types to efficiently compute fields locations as offsets in the buffer, and you usually represent pointers as offset into the encode. You can look at capnproto protocol for instance https://capnproto.org/

Worked well for Cap'n Proto (the cerealization protocol)! https://capnproto.org/

With all due respect, you read completely wrong.

* The very first use case for which Cap'n Proto was designed was to be the protocol that Sandstorm.io used to talk between sandbox and supervisor -- an explicitly adversarial security scenario.

* The documentation explicitly calls out how implementations should manage resource exhaustion problems like deep recursion depth (stack overflow risk).

* The implementation has been fuzz-tested multiple ways, including as part of Google's oss-fuzz.

* When there are security bugs, I issue advisories like this:

https://github.com/capnproto/capnproto/tree/v2/security-advi...

* The primary aim of the entire project is to be a Capability-Based Security RPC protocol.

I like how they use capability-based security [0] and use Cap'n Proto protocol. This is another technology that is slow to get broad adoption, but has many things going for when compared to e.g. Protocol Buffers (Cap'n Proto is created by the primary author of Protobuf v2, Kenton Varda).

[0] https://sandstorm.io/how-it-works#capabilities

[1] https://capnproto.org

Related but not Rust-specific: FlatBuffers, Cap'n Proto.

Cap'n proto would be ideal for this. It can read out the data from a const byte array (using include_bytes! macro) directly without a separate deserialise step. protobuf and bincode would require deserialising the data into a heap allocated structure on startup or first use. Because your binary will be memory-mapped by the OS, the data can also be lazily paged in as it is read, requiring less I/O if you don't read the whole file.

This is only possible when you don't need serialization, though. However, just last week I started looking into Cap'n Proto to solve this issue. It's a serialization format that's designed for shared memory and so provides data types that can be used directly with no conversion. There's a full Rust implementation for it.

Google thinks gRPC is fast enough for there use case. What do you consider high-performance? Plain UDP with custom TCP-like stack? https://capnproto.org/?

Is Cap'n'Proto [0] as awesome as it sounds? Anyone have any first-hand experience and can speak on it?

Thanks!

[0]: https://capnproto.org/