tapir VS Laminar

You're not confined to the usual suggestions below (play, http4s). There's a ton of options. (I wrote test cases using a bunch of different frameworks a few years ago at https://github.com/hohonuuli/msdemos). Having written services using a variety of frameworks in production, I would strongly suggest using one that auto-generates API docs (openapi, swagger) for you. That will save you a huge amount of time later on. For heavier services, like the one at https://fathomnet.org/, I tend to the Java side (Quarkus is my current top choice, but Micronaut and Helidon are both great). For everything else I use Scala. My go-to right now is tapir using a vertx backend. See https://tapir.softwaremill.com/

Tapir is a Scala framework. (which runs on the JDK) Since the recent release of version 1.0, it's become my go to for many projects. It doens't provide much in the way of integrations with 3rd party frameworks, but I actually prefer that. It does autogenerate great swagger docs though.

I do wonder where the recommendation to use http4s for beginners came from. http4s is a very capable library (and if you care much about composition it is excellent), but I wouldn't describe the documentation as beginner friendly.

A slightly better starting point for scala 3 + type-safe server building is tapir e.g. https://github.com/softwaremill/tapir/blob/master/examples3/... . With that, you get a declarative definition of your endpoints (+ error types, auth, etc.) that you can use for both servers and clients, which comes very handy when writing integration tests of course.

> absolutely ridiculous the fetishization of extremely complex FP and type-level hacking that goes on in the ecosystem

An alternative way to look at it is that there is a lot of essential domain complexity that gets encoded via the type system to let the compiler do the hard work. That "extremely complex FP" does not arrive out of nowhere - I really recommend at least skimming through the slides from rossabaker, the http4s designer, that motivate where the core type signature comes from https://rossabaker.github.io/boston-http4s/#2

I suppose one of the "features" that I like about the (typelevel) community is that the approach of "worse is better" is not taken, and a lot of effort is expended to make things correct, modular and orthogonal. This has the drawback of increased upfront complexity, that anecdotally pays off the moment your compiler does not error and the program runs as intended.

Did you try tapir? There is a module for deploying aws lambda with Scala js. Not sure whether it is compatible with Scala 3, I am sticking with Scala 2 until Scala 3 gets more mature.

I'm aware, but it's a design decision that was made on purpose, and which I find in practice not a big problem at all.

Backend is source of truth for types on frontend (backend generated OpenAPI definition with tapir, frontend takes it with orval)

In all cases I would strongly suggest to have a look at Tapir, regardless of the server implementation that you pick.

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Tapir is awesome, and you can pick the server backend according to your preferred ecosystem (for instance http4s + doobie, Zio + Quill, Akka + Slick, ...)

Finally I would strongly recommend having a look at Tapir. Even if you don't need to share endpoints or generate OpenAPI documentation, it provides a really neat abstraction on top of http4s.

My quite niche open source project broke this threshold last year, via Github sponsorships. Of course, I put a lot of time into it, so it's not "passive income" or even "market rate income", but still, without these sponsorships I wouldn't be able to work on it so much.

The project is Laminar, a UI library for Scala.js https://laminar.dev

I've noticed that Laminar and the newly released Kyo point that they don't use a lot of macros as a feature. Laminar says "Easy to understand: no macros", while Kyo emphasizes "Note: defer is currently the only macro in Kyo. All other features use regular language constructs." It seems that using less macros is something library users will like.

https://laminar.dev/ might be what you need. Though I wish there was a more beginner friendly (I'm not from front-end world) tutorial for me to follow along.

Have you looked at Laminar and Tyrian? Especially Tyrian seems to be close to what you're looking for.

For Scala there is Laminar, which has an even flashier website with nice docs. I haven't tested it out though, as I have never used Scala.

I found this scala library called Laminar which looks super similar to solid. They use signals and has no virtual dom. State changes are represented by signals and events by event streams. Thus they seems to have feature parity with RXJS as they can model all sorts of async stuff. Best part is they get to keep writing their markup in C-style syntax than XML based JSX. It looks super elegant,minimalist and has type safety.

This is very true. I really hate svelte single file components. But then I tried JSX for breaking things down. I love solid but I don't feel really good about angle brackets within C style syntax. I saw this Scala library that stick with simple statically typed function syntax than html tags. I don't understand why people still wants to stick with xml like tags. In laminar markup is written like this scala div( h1("Hello world", color := "red"), inputCaption, input(inputMods, name := "fullName"), div( ">>", button("Submit"), "<<" ) ) I wish solid team makes their HyperScript syntax as performant as JSX.

Laminar (Scala framework) hasn't been mentioned yet so dropping it here as an awesome framework that support HTML-over-the-wire. It can be used together with React, HTMX, and many other frontend frameworks -- but doesn't have to be.

https://laminar.dev/

Scala.js core itself, which I maintain, does not need much innovation. We support all of Scala, and interact with any JavaScript library. That's what the core promises.

If you want to compare to Scala 3, it's worth pointing out that you can use Scala.js with any Scala version >= 2.12.2. In particular, you can use it with Scala 3 and benefit from all its innovations. ;)

Innovation comes mainly from libraries, notably UI libraries. Laminar (https://laminar.dev/) is a great example.

In terms of roadmap, we are mostly working on "boring" stuff: improving performance (of the generated code, and of the linker), fixing bugs when they get reported, etc.

Perhaps, when Wasm gets more features for deeper interoperability with JavaScript (manipulating objects notably), we will take another look at targeting Wasm. People usually expect all languages to target Wasm now, "because it's fast". Truth is, it's fast for languages with linear memory. There is no evidence yet that it will be fast for memory-managed languages with objects and virtual dispatch.