surface VS Mercure

I should have been more clear that my intent was to create/use a compiler for some kind of component syntax. There are lots of them, from Surface (Elixir), Blade (PHP/Laravel), and JSX (React, Vue, Etc)

There I learned more deeply about LiveView and Surface UI.

I think Surface is the ideal candidate for this. But it doesn’t have the components you are looking for but you can build anything with it. Hopefully, in future we can have set of headless components built using Surface 🤞

I have worked with Phoenix LiveView and Surface-UI for about a year; I would like to share some of the things I learned the hard way.

This is just an idea, but what about implementing using Phoenix.View(via use MyAppWeb, :view in your module)? Then assign I think has access to @conn. Then maybe work some magic to still allow Phoenix.Component syntax - but at this point, this is something I believe is a flow that might be in development. Try investigating / asking in Surface, because that is a lot more similar to React in its approach. In fact, I think Surface is where more aggressive features are pushed out, and ironed-out features get included into Phoenix. This was the case for Phoenix.Component, and HEEX.

This post is intended to get you started with surface provided components. I provided the original code and surface versions so you can compare the differences yourself without installing anything. After installing surface following the installation guide https://surface-ui.org/getting_started add surface_bulma in your mix.exs, this will allow you to use the table component.

I totally get the "Am I doing this the right way?" feeling, especially coming from Rails where everything was so opinionated and wanting to stay idiomatic.

Phoenix, while it does have opinions, is far less opinionated in the sense that it doesn't do it darndest to force you into certain conventions (for example, if your module name doesn't match your file name, Phoenix won't complain). Its generators do try and push you toward using good DDD practices (which is my opinion is a GREAT thing), but of course the generators are completely optional.

I don't have experience writing large LiveView apps but I would say that if you are familiar with any component-based frameworks (like React), I would take a look at SurfaceUI[1]. It simplifies a few "gotchas" in LiveView (though I would say they are very minor gotchas and worth learning about at some point) and gives you a component-rendering syntax more like React. Once you get going, you'll learn that LiveView doesn't have all the headaches that come with bigger React apps (like having to memoize functions or comparing props to avoid a re-render and whatnot). The recent release candidate for Phoenix 1.6 has made strides for a cleaner component syntax, but if you're having trouble with LiveView, Surface might bring some familiarity.

[1] https://github.com/surface-ui/surface

Have you seen Surface UI? Pretty cool. Collection of LiveView components. https://surface-ui.org/

Are you aware of things like websockets and mercure.rocks?

It could be implemented with STOMP, or Mercure (goes well with API-Platform, written in PHP/Symfony), you could write your own with the help of nchan and scale it via Redis. If it's a web service, the best practices for operating and scaling are well established, Godot then just becomes another client.

You can try https://mercure.rocks/.

It's worth looking at something like Mercure , which is used by API Platform

Pusher might be one of these systems, Mercure is another one (which you can host yourself). Mercure has good documentation and some examples in various languages, including PHP: https://mercure.rocks/docs/ecosystem/awesome#examples.

You can use Mercure https://mercure.rocks/ , Mercure uses http2.

I actually was thinking about this when I saw https://github.com/dunglas/mercure project to become a Caddy plugin. But I did not find enough reasoning to try this with Centrifugo at that point, and still... Seems awesome from one side - tight integration with a web-server, no extra network between LB and Centrifugo. But will this be useful in practice and find its users? 🤔 That's the question I don't have an answer yet.

Polling is kind of ok (data might change between poll events), but real-time updates are better. So If you don't mind adding an extra service, then take a look at mercure.

Two more questions: - Am I to understand The Guild now recommends GraphQL Yoga over Helix? - Could something like Mercure be included in the recipes ? (this would be a nice solution for serverless)