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sectorlisp
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are there any benchmarks on sector lisp
I'm assuming you are referring to https://github.com/jart/sectorlisp which I gather is an attempt to make a Lisp that fits in a disk boot sector?
- Sectorlisp
- Kilo Lisp: A Kilo Byte-Sized Lisp System
- For the LISP 1.5 mainframe fans here...
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I think SIMD was a distraction to our conversation, most code doesn't use it and in the future the length agnostic, flexible vectors; https://github.com/WebAssembly/flexible-vectors/blob/master/... are a better solution. They are a lot like RVV; https://github.com/riscv/riscv-v-spec, research around vector processing is why RISC-V exists in the first place!
I was trying to find the smallest Rust Wasm interpreters I could find, I should have read the source first, I only really use wasmtime, but this one looks very interesting, zero deps, zero unsafe.
16.5kloc of Rust https://github.com/rhysd/wain
The most complete wasm env for small devices is wasm3
20kloc of C https://github.com/wasm3/wasm3
I get what you are saying as to be so small that there isn't a place of bugs to hide.
> “There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult.” CAR Hoare
Even a 100 line program can't be guaranteed to be free of bugs. These programs need embedded tests to ensure that the layer below them is functioning as intended. They cannot and should not run open loop. Speaking of 300+ reimplementations, I am sure that RISC-V has already exceeded that. The smallest readable implementation is like 200 lines of code; https://github.com/BrunoLevy/learn-fpga/blob/master/FemtoRV/...
I don't think Wasm suffers from the base extension issue you bring up. It will get larger, but 1.0 has the right algebraic properties to be useful forever. Wasm does require an environment, for archival purposes that environment should be written in Wasm, with api for instantiating more envs passed into the first env. There are two solutions to the Wasm generating and calling Wasm problem. First would be a trampoline, where one returns Wasm from the first Wasm program which is then re-instantiated by the outer env. The other would be to pass in the api to create new Wasm envs over existing memory buffers.
See, https://copy.sh/v86/
MS-DOS, NES or C64 are useful for archival purposes because they are dead, frozen in time along with a large corpus of software. But there is a ton of complexity in implementing those systems with enough fidelity to run software.
Lua, Typed Assembly; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typed_assembly_language and Sector Lisp; https://github.com/jart/sectorlisp seem to have the right minimalism and compactness for archival purposes. Maybe it is sectorlisp+rv32+wasm.
If there are directions you would like Wasm to go, I really recommend attending the Wasm CG meetings.
https://github.com/WebAssembly/meetings
When it comes to an archival system, I'd like it to be able to run anything from an era, not just specially crafted binaries. I think Wasm meets that goal.
https://gist.github.com/dabeaz/7d8838b54dba5006c58a40fc28da9...
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*Laughs in autocmd*
Based on this, the next thing you wrote, and your reference to running a minimal Gentoo: I think you might be a Scheme fan in the making. Scheme is the minimal Lisp. (Okay, that might be sectorlisp which fits in 512 bytes.) It’s hands down my favorite language. While it’s evolved on its own to be more of a superset of Scheme, Racket is my Scheme of choice.
- Bootstrapping Lisp in a Boot Sector
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That's pretty much it!
sectorlisp
v86
- Run Windows on the browser with WASM power
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WASI 0.2.0 and Why It Matters
> As a thought experiment, we're almost there! We could technically have `win95.img + bochs86vm.wasm + autorun.inf + msword.exe` wrapped in a "browser evaluator"
I looked into this and... holy crap! We are there. Not for modern programs quite yet, sure, but this is amazing. You can use Windows 2000 from your browser.
https://copy.sh/v86/?profile=windows2000
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Is offline-first not enough? Do we need "serverfree"?
I think you are looking for Shadow.
https://shadow.goose.icu
Or just the whole kitchen sink. Why not?
http://copy.sh/v86/?profile=windows98
- Virtual Computer Museum – VNC into Archaic Windows Systems
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Container2wasm: Convert Containers to WASM Blobs
Also: https://github.com/copy/v86 - more productized browser x86 runtime, used by eg https://github.com/snaplet/postgres-wasm
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Show HN: SQL Polyglot
Wonder if you could put all those databases in a Linux image and boot it using v86 [0], eliminating the need for a server.
[0] https://github.com/copy/v86
- Hot Dog Linux
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Kolibri OS: fits on a floppy disk, programmed using interrupts
Trying it out in https://copy.sh/v86/?profile=kolibrios , it's also clearly a love letter to Windows 95 in particular. That could be an unstated goal here, create a very particular PC experience under very particular constraints. I don't know anything about the creator but it's very possible that this kind of work was actually their career in the 90s.
It's incredible how much work was done. Maybe this should be an internet curiosity like how TempleOS has become, though Terry's personality was a unique factor.
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VMware is now part of Broadcom
hmm, why would people still use VMWare? Isn't vbox open source, or even things such as https://copy.sh/v86/ would do most virtualization trick now days?
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Running Windows 98 on the Browser
Oh, there are more OSes one can use at the parent page:
https://copy.sh/v86/
My highlights:
- First version of Windows (1.01)
- SerenityOS <3
- and even ReactOS
What are some alternatives?
sectorforth - sectorforth is a 16-bit x86 Forth that fits in a 512-byte boot sector.
Chicago95 - A rendition of everyone's favorite 1995 Microsoft operating system for Linux.
small-lisp - A very small lisp interpreter, that I may one day get working on my 8-bit AVR microcontroller.
webvm - Virtual Machine for the Web
Carp - A statically typed lisp, without a GC, for real-time applications.
yoroi-frontend - Yoroi Wallet - Cardano ADA Wallet - Your gateway to the financial world (extension frontend)
mal - mal - Make a Lisp
Electron - :electron: Build cross-platform desktop apps with JavaScript, HTML, and CSS
femtolisp - a lightweight, robust, scheme-like lisp implementation
macos-virtualbox - Push-button installer of macOS Catalina, Mojave, and High Sierra guests in Virtualbox on x86 CPUs for Windows, Linux, and macOS
kernel-zig - :floppy_disk: hobby x86 kernel zig
uBlock-issues - This is the community-maintained issue tracker for uBlock Origin