s2n VS quiche

It seems to support multiple options but requires you pick at least one of them. https://github.com/aws/s2n-tls/blob/main/docs/BUILD.md#build...

I think GnuTLS is probably the second most popular TLS library, after openssl.

I'll also mentions s2n and rustls-ffi for completeness as C libraries, though the former isn't widely used, and the latter is very experimental still. https://github.com/aws/s2n-tls and https://github.com/rustls/rustls-ffi respectively.

I've seen operating on unauthenticated plaintext enough times to list it as my own pet peeve with AES-GCM. But it's a problem for chunked messages too. A few years ago we released a SCRAM mode that makes very minimal changes to AES-GCM so that it mathematically can't operate on unauthenticated plaintext. https://github.com/aws/s2n-tls/tree/main/scram

> The documentation is kind of vague, but apparently you have to re-enable it regularly.[3]

This is correct. And in the end it means more or less that setting the socket option is more of a way of sending an explicit ACK from userspace than a real setting.

It's not great for common use-cases, because making userspace care about ACKs will obviously degrade efficiency (more syscalls).

However it can make sense for some use-cases. E.g. I saw the s2n TLS library using QUICKACK to avoid the TLS handshake being stuck [1]. Maybe also worthwhile to be set in some specific RPC scenarios where the server might not immediately send a response on receiving the request, and where the client could send additional frames (e.g. gRPC client side streaming, or in pipelined HTTP requests if the server would really process those in parallel and not just let them sit in socket buffers).

[1] https://github.com/aws/s2n-tls/blob/46c47a71e637cabc312ce843...

It looks like by default s2n-quic uses this TLS implementation, which is not based on the ring crate (though it is written in C)

https://github.com/aws/s2n-tls

I would be interested in the other SSL implementations:

- https://github.com/awslabs/s2n

- https://boringssl.googlesource.com/boringssl

- https://bearssl.org/

Are these subpar implementations or there are other reasons not to use these?

The title of this post puts emphasis on "written in C", making me wonder when this would ever be a desirable feature, given that more secure implementations are available, and can be integrated into old C projects just as easily.

No need to rewrite everything from the ground up: https://github.com/cloudflare/quiche#curl

The issue is dead silent too!

https://github.com/cloudflare/quiche/issues/1115

Even though Oxy is a proprietary project, we try to give back some love to the open-source community without which the project wouldn’t be possible by open-sourcing some of the building blocks such as https://github.com/cloudflare/boring and https://github.com/cloudflare/quiche.

They’ve been on the Rust train since at least 2019. Just look at projects like quiche, wrangler, and boringtun

It's more like Cloudflare forked nginx a long time ago, and is meanwhile in the very slow (like, decade-long) process of replacing it entirely.

The Cloudflare Workers Runtime, for instance, is built directly around V8; it does not use nginx or any other existing web server stack. Many new features of Cloudflare are in turn built on Workers, and much of the old stack build on nginx is gradually being migrated to Workers. https://workers.dev https://github.com/cloudflare/workerd

In another part of the stack, there is Pingora, another built-from-scratch web server focused on high-performance proxying and caching: https://blog.cloudflare.com/how-we-built-pingora-the-proxy-t...

Even when using nginx, Cloudflare has rewritten or added big chunks of code, such as implementing HTTP/3: https://github.com/cloudflare/quiche And of course there is a ton of business logic written in Lua on top of that nginx base.

Though arguably, Cloudflare's biggest piece of magic is the layer 3 network. It's so magical that people don't even think about it, it just works. Seamlessly balancing traffic across hundreds of locations without even varying IP addresses is, well, not easy.

I could go on... automatic SSL provisioning? DDoS protection? etc. These aren't nginx features.

So while Cloudflare may have gotten started being more-or-less nginx-as-a-service I don't think you can really call it that anymore.

(I'm the tech lead for Cloudflare Workers.)

Ask Cloudflare why they use HTTP/3 and QUIC https://github.com/cloudflare/quiche.

Cloudflare has used rust for multiple projects in the past such as their QUIC/HTTP3 implementation Quiche and a WireGuard implementation BoringTun.