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rfcs
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Ask HN: What April Fools jokes have you noticed this year?
RFC: Add large language models to Rust
https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/pull/3603
- Rust to add large language models to the standard library
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Why does Rust choose not to provide `for` comprehensions?
Man, SO and family has really gone downhill. That top answer is absolutely terrible. In fact, if you care, you can literally look at the RFC discussion here to see the actual debate: https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/pull/582
Basically, `for x in y` is kind of redundant, already sorta-kinda supported by itertools, and there's also a ton of macros that sorta-kinda do it already. It would just be language bloat at this point.
Literally has nothing to do with memory management.
- Coroutines in C
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Uv: Python Packaging in Rust
Congrats!
> Similarly, uv does not yet generate a platform-agnostic lockfile. This matches pip-tools, but differs from Poetry and PDM, making uv a better fit for projects built around the pip and pip-tools workflows.
Do you expect to make the higher level workflow independent of requirements.txt / support a platform-agnostic lockfile? Being attached to Rye makes me think "no".
Without being platform agnostic, to me this is dead-on-arrival and unable to meet the "Cargo for Python" aim.
> uv supports alternate resolution strategies. By default, uv follows the standard Python dependency resolution strategy of preferring the latest compatible version of each package. But by passing --resolution=lowest, library authors can test their packages against the lowest-compatible version of their dependencies. (This is similar to Go's Minimal version selection.)
> uv allows for resolutions against arbitrary target Python versions. While pip and pip-tools always resolve against the currently-installed Python version (generating, e.g., a Python 3.12-compatible resolution when running under Python 3.12), uv accepts a --python-version parameter, enabling you to generate, e.g., Python 3.7-compatible resolutions even when running under newer versions.
This is great to see though!
I can understand it being a flag on these lower level, directly invoked dependency resolution operations.
While you aren't onto the higher level operations yet, I think it'd be useful to see if there is any cross-ecosystem learning we can do for my MSRV RFC: https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/pull/3537
How are you handling pre-releases in you resolution? Unsure how much of that is specified in PEPs. Its something that Cargo is weak in today but we're slowly improving.
- RFC: Rust Has Provenance
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The bane of my existence: Supporting both async and sync code in Rust
In the early days of Rust there was a debate about whether to support "green threads" and in doing that require runtime support. It was actually implemented and included for a time but it creates problems when trying to do library or embedded code. At the time Go for example chose to go that route, and it was both nice (goroutines are nice to write and well supported) and expensive (effectively requires GC etc). I don't remember the details but there is a Rust RFC from when they removed green threads:
https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/blob/0806be4f282144cfcd55b...
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Why stdout is faster than stderr?
I did some more digging. By RFC 899, I believe Alex Crichton meant PR 899 in this repo:
https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/pull/899
Still, no real discussion of why unbuffered stderr.
- Go: What We Got Right, What We Got Wrong
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Ask HN: What's the fastest programming language with a large standard library?
Rust has had a stable SIMD vector API[1] for a long time. But, it's architecture specific. The portable API[2] isn't stable yet, but you probably can't use the portable API for some of the more exotic uses of SIMD anyway. Indeed, that's true in .NET's case too[3].
Rust does all this SIMD too. It just isn't in the standard library. But the regex crate does it. Indeed, this is where .NET got its SIMD approach for multiple substring search from in the first place[4]. ;-)
You're right that Rust's standard library is conservatively vectorized though[5]. The main thing blocking this isn't the lack of SIMD availability. It's more about how the standard library is internally structured, and the fact that things like substring search are not actually defined in `std` directly, but rather, in `core`. There are plans to fix this[6].
[1]: https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/arch/index.html
[2]: https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/simd/index.html
[3]: https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/blob/72fae0073b35a404f03c3...
[4]: https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/pull/88394#issuecomment-16...
[5]: https://github.com/BurntSushi/memchr#why-is-the-standard-lib...
[6]: https://github.com/rust-lang/rfcs/pull/3469
polonius
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Why do lifetimes need to be leaky?
Correctness prover which uses lifetimes (Polonius).
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Databases are the endgame for data-oriented design
And, well, polonius (Rust borrow checker magic) I believe is built on datalog-ish concepts: https://github.com/rust-lang/polonius
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Why doesn't rust-analyzer reuse infrastructures of rustc?
There is also polonius (https://github.com/rust-lang/polonius) which should replace the borrow checker but does not receive a lot of development resources.
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Rust front-end merged in GCC trunk
This is eventually going to be a feature-complete compiler, targeting a specific rustc version. I believe the plan is to use polonius [1], presumably as an "optional" feature so they can build a stage 1 without it, use that to build polonius, then build the final compiler with it included.
[1] https://github.com/rust-lang/polonius
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Blog post: Rust in 2023
E.g. there you may just stop using current borrow-checker and switch to Polonius.
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What are Rust’s biggest weaknesses?
The borrow checker is too dumb (https://github.com/rust-lang/polonius) fixes a lot of this.
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Datafrog: A lightweight Datalog engine in Rust
It looks like an official borrow checker implementation called Polonius uses it as a dependency, so it makes sense: https://github.com/rust-lang/polonius/blob/981785c101b68ff54...
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Differential Datalog: a programming language for incremental computation
If you click around a little, you end up on a blog post with this tidbit:
> This project got put together rather suddenly, in response to some work the Rust folks are doing[1] on their new and improved borrow checker.
I don't think I could tell you more than "Frank wrote it to help rust folks who were previously doing work with differential-dataflow directly."
1. https://github.com/rust-lang/polonius/pull/36#issuecomment-3...
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Generic associated types to be stable in Rust 1.65
Good news is that there's also works going on to relax the restrictions, like polonius. But it seems that it still have a long way to go before it can land in stable Rust...
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Rust for Linux officially merged
GCC-rs isn't intended for bootstrapping, it is intended to be an actual fully featured Rust compiler in the future, mrustc is a Rust compiler intended for bootstrapping though. GCC-rs is still very early targeting an older version of the reference compiler without things like a borrow checker, but that's not going to be the case forever. The GCC-rs folks have expressed interest in re-using the borrow checker library used by the reference compiler called polonius enabling them to relatively easily add borrow checking.
What are some alternatives?
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bubblewrap - Low-level unprivileged sandboxing tool used by Flatpak and similar projects
gccrs - GCC Front-End for Rust
crates.io - The Rust package registry
rustc_codegen_gcc - libgccjit AOT codegen for rustc
Rust-for-Linux - Adding support for the Rust language to the Linux kernel.
miri - An interpreter for Rust's mid-level intermediate representation
rust-gc - Simple tracing (mark and sweep) garbage collector for Rust
rust-blog - Educational blog posts for Rust beginners
zig - General-purpose programming language and toolchain for maintaining robust, optimal, and reusable software.
srgb.rs - Implementation of sRGB primitives and constants