self-hosted VS self-hosted

You can fully self host it (server and everything): https://github.com/revoltchat/self-hosted

This is for folks that want a self-governed / "no big brother" Discord alternative, it's quite nice for that purpose, but it's lacking the Discord integrations (audio chat, etc.) that make it better for gamers.

Revolt looks interesting. I see they have a self-hosted repo too with docker images.

Have you checked out Revolt? https://revolt.chat/ I think you can self-host this one https://github.com/revoltchat/self-hosted

Everyone can host a Revolt instance as it's open source (the developers even published a script for Docker to make things easier), so you can even own and host a server. However, the official server is managed and owned by team members (and the main server is hosted in Germany, while media server is hosted in Lithuania according to the privacy policy).

Revolt aims to be an open source Discord alternative, looks like it would fit your use case

Not familiar but they seem to allow self hosting: https://github.com/revoltchat/self-hosted

I'm having the same problem! Saw someone opened this issue so hopefully we get a response soon.

The most complex system that I've seen that you could self host is the Sentry APM solution, have a look at how many services there are: https://github.com/getsentry/self-hosted/blob/master/docker-...

That's the main reason why I've gone why Apache Skywalking instead, even if it's a bit jank and has fewer features.

It's kind of unfortunate, either you just have an RDBMS and use it for everything (key-value/document storage, caches, queues, search etc.), or you fan out and have Valkey, RabbitMQ and so on, increasing the complexity.

> I maintain that any platform that isn’t using some sort of tracing system is practically negligent in their engineering duty.

For some, it's difficult because many of the self-hostable out there are rather complex and have high requirements, like https://github.com/getsentry/self-hosted/blob/master/docker-...

Personally I found Apache Skywalking to be something that you can setup without too many issues https://skywalking.apache.org/ but it's not exactly ideal either.

I wonder what other good options are out there, something that you can have up and running on a 5$ VPS within an hour or two, to not cause friction.

Of course, when SaaS is an option, many will just go for that.

Oof, sorry to hear it. File a ticket if you have specific things come up:

https://github.com/getsentry/self-hosted/issues/new

etc.

We have a Docker Compose wrapper in a separate repo:

https://github.com/getsentry/self-hosted

We have a private repo called getsentry/getsentry that is another Django app that imports the public one and uses Django signals (iirc) to meter usage for billing. That is what we deploy to SaaS. All product features are implemented in the public repos.

3) How about employee access?

Employee access is managed through UI, I honestly don't know whether it lives in getsentry/sentry (public) or getsentry/getsentry (private). Probably the latter?

2) How do you handle updates to your product?

Employees work in public on GitHub. We ship more or less continuously to SaaS. It's possible to deploy approximately continuously on self-hosted as well, though we also bless monthly snapshots for a more relaxed cadence. Does that answer this question?

I was responding to the One of the Sentry inconvenience is self-hosting: it relies on so many services it can be very complicated to maintain part, and also reminding readers that if they, too, hate companies that rug-pull their open source licenses, there is a band-aid for both parts

Compare https://github.com/getsentry/self-hosted/blob/9.1.2/docker-c... with https://github.com/getsentry/self-hosted/blob/24.4.2/docker-... for what life used to be like for running Sentry on-prem. It was awesome

It would take a ton of work to dig up the actual memory and CPU requirements of each one, but rest assured they're not zero, so every one of those services eats ram and requires TLC when, not if, they shit themselves. So, more parts == more headaches with all other things being equal

Then, I deeply appreciate that there are a whole spectrum of reactions to the various licensing schemes in use nowadays, and a bunch of folks don't care. I care, though, because I have gotten immense value from open source projects, and have contributed changes back to quite a few. It has been my life experience that any of those "source available" licenses usually are very hostile toward making local builds and if I can't build it to match how prod goes, then I can't test my fixes in my environment and then I can't contribute the PR with any faith

This is the point where I will point out that you can self-host Sentry free of charge :) https://develop.sentry.dev/self-hosted/

Sentry can be self hosted: https://develop.sentry.dev/self-hosted/

The people we're concerned about are not the hundreds of thousands of Sentry users, including those that self-host.

We're concerned about people who have taken the software for the purposes of competing directly against us, that hinders our ability to monetize the work. Monetizing the work helps us continue improving the software and distribute it for free use, benefitting those aforementioned real users (e.g. https://github.com/getsentry/self-hosted).

> I mean no slander or disrespect to anyone involved, but there was a DataDog alternative posted sometime in the last few weeks that had a docker-compose with like 15 containers in it.

Reminds me of Sentry: https://develop.sentry.dev/self-hosted/

This is their example docker-compose for self-hosting: https://github.com/getsentry/self-hosted/blob/master/docker-...

It has:

  - exim4 (smtp)

> What should people use?

I recall Apache Skywalking being pretty good, especially for smaller/medium scale projects: https://skywalking.apache.org/

The architecture is simple, the performance is adequate, it doesn't make you spend days configuring it and it even supports various different data stores: https://skywalking.apache.org/docs/main/v9.0.0/en/setup/back...

The problems with it are that it isn't super popular (although has agents for most popular stacks), the docs could be slightly better and I recall them also working on a new UI so there is a little bit of churn: https://skywalking.apache.org/downloads/

Still better versus some of the other options when you need something that just works instead of spending a lot of time configuring something (even when that something might be superior in regards to the features): https://github.com/getsentry/self-hosted/blob/master/docker-...

Sentry is just the first thing that comes to mind (OpenTelemetry also isn't simpler due to how much it tries to do), but compare its complexity to Skywalking: https://github.com/apache/skywalking/blob/master/docker/dock...

I wish there was more self-hosted software like that out there, enough to address certain concerns in a simple way on day 1 and leave branching out to more complex options like OpenTelemetry once you have a separate team for that and the cash is rolling in.