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revery
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Can't decide on a programming language for multiple reasons
OCaml has actually put some decent effort into good GUI libraries, such as https://github.com/revery-ui/revery.
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HypeScript: Simplified TypeScript's type system in TypeScript's own type system
I never tried CoffeeScript since nobody pays me for it, though I am curious about ReasonML as an alternative, there's a Neovim front-end[0] coded in Reason that compiles natively[1], and supports existing VS Code plugins from the VSCodium plugin repository[2] which I still have yet to look at how the heck they pulled that bit off, but it is pretty interesting.
[0]: https://github.com/onivim/oni2#introduction
- Iced – A cross-platform GUI library for Rust, inspired by Elm
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Are you still looking forward to Onivim2?
It uses Revery which is still just javascript
- Clog – The Common Lisp Omnificent GUI
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Easiest lib to use for gui
Revery is promising and its way of handling GUIs matches the current trend of using a React-like virtual DOM style. Unfortunately, I found it to be a pain in the ass to actually attempt to install and use because of dependency on esy (which in turn depends on npm and caused nothing bug headaches) though so I haven't been able to actually try using it for anything.
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Tauri: An Electron alternative written in Rust
Revery is another similar project that is trying to be a lightweight alternative to Electron https://github.com/revery-ui/revery
clog
- Embracing Common Lisp in the Modern World
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Use any web browser as GUI, with Zig in the back end and HTML5 in the front end
Reminds me of the approach of CLOG (Common Lisp Omnificent Gui[1]) and its ancestor GNOGA (The GNU Omnificent GUI for Ada[2]).
They also integrate basic components and even graphical UI editor (at least for CLOG), so you can essentially develop the whole thing from inside CL or Ada
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Common Lisp: An Interactive Approach (1992) [pdf]
For me David Botton [0] with his work including code, support and videos is doing very nice work in this direction.
I use SBCL for everything but work because I cannot get; we are getting there, but like you say, it’s such a nice experience working interactively building fast that it is magic and it’s painful returning to my daily work of Python and typescript/react. It feels like a waste of time/life, really.
- Clog – The Common Lisp Omnificent GUI
- Tkinter Designer: Quickly Turn Figma Design to Python Tkinter GUI
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Want to learn lisp?
If you already have some programming experience you can do a quick intro to Common Lisp and CLOG too - https://github.com/rabbibotton/clog/blob/main/LEARN.md
I was following along on the Windows page and didn't check back on the main README to see if any of the other instructions would help.
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All Web frontend lisp projects
CLOG is an interesting twist of a frontend and backend in one. https://github.com/rabbibotton/clog
It the answer is "latter", then you could look at Common Lisp and Reblocks (https://40ants.com/reblocks/) or CLOG (https://github.com/rabbibotton/clog).
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How to Understand and Use Common Lisp
I haven't used Clojure professionally in 10 years so with a grain of salt here are my thoughts as only one other person answered...
CL over Clojure: it's the OG Lisp that the creator of Clojure used and wanted to continue using but faced too much resistance from management afraid of anything not-Java/not-Oracle, or not-CLR/not-Microsoft, etc. Clojure shipped originally as "just another jar" so devs could "sneak" it in. If you don't have such a management restriction, why Clojure? If you want to integrate CL with the JVM, you can use the ABCL implementation, there's also something from one of the proprietary Lisps. Some useful CL features that are nice in this domain: conditions and restarts mentioned in a sibling comment (very nice to help interactively develop/debug e.g. a selenium webdriver test), ability to easily compile an exe (perhaps useful for microservices, or just to keep your deployment environment clean and not having to care about Lisp), and ability to easily ship with an open local socket allowing you to SSH in (or SSH port forward) and debug/fix/poke around in production (JVM of course lets you attach debuggers to a running process, even certain billion+ dollar companies will have supervised/limited prod debugging sessions for various hairy cases, but it's not as interactive). You should never hear CL advocates claim you can't scale to large teams/groups of engineers or large multi-million-lines sized projects, though you might oddly hear Clojure advocates sometimes claim you can't (and shouldn't) scale to such large projects -- large groups of engineers are a non-issue for them as well though, the challenge is in hiring, not in the language somehow making it impossible to modularize and keep people from stepping on each other.
Clojure over CL: its integration with the JVM is nicer than ABCL's, so if you do actually want a lot of the great world of Java stuff, it's easier to get at. Database integration libraries are better. Access to libs (Clojure or Java) is via Maven, so it's a larger ecosystem with more self-integrating components (especially around monitoring/metrics) than what's available for Lisp via Quicklisp. Clojure is very opinionated, much of it quite tasteful, and that gives the whole ecosystem a certain consistency. (You can have immutable data structures in CL, you can if you want use [] for literal vectors and make them syntactically important e.g. in let bindings, but not everyone will be on board.) Even though its popularity seems to have stopped growing, at least at the same rate as e.g. Go which it was keeping pace with for a while, it's still popular enough with a bigger community; as a proxy measure there are multiple conferences around the world and good talks at adjacent conferences, whereas Lisp mostly just has one conference in Europe per year and only occasional branching outside of that.
If you're doing a client-side-heavy webapp, ClojureScript is still amazing, CL's answers there aren't very compelling with the exception of CLOG (https://github.com/rabbibotton/clog) which takes an entirely different direction than the usual idea of translating/running Lisp on top of JavaScript and its popular frameworks.
What are some alternatives?
sciter-js-sdk - Sciter.JS - Sciter but with QuickJS on board instead of my TIScript
wry - Cross-platform WebView library in Rust for Tauri.
kandria - A post-apocalyptic actionRPG. Now on Steam!
react-native-macos - A framework for building native macOS apps with React.
webview - Tiny cross-platform webview library for C/C++. Uses WebKit (GTK/Cocoa) and Edge WebView2 (Windows).
Slint - Slint is a toolkit to efficiently develop fluid graphical user interfaces for any display: embedded devices and desktop applications. We support multiple programming languages, such as Rust, C++ or JavaScript. [Moved to: https://github.com/slint-ui/slint]
stumpwm - The Stump Window Manager
Servo - Servo, the embeddable, independent, memory-safe, modular, parallel web rendering engine
alive-lsp - Language Server Protocol implementation for use with the Alive extension
sciter - Sciter: the Embeddable HTML/CSS/JS engine for modern UI development
Godot - Godot Engine – Multi-platform 2D and 3D game engine
electron-sbcl-sqlite - A simple boilerplate that builds an Electron app with SBCL and SQLite3 embedded