reactor VS morphdom

I'd love to see this approach make more headway in the Django community. Based on the last DjangoCon it seems like the community is coalescing around HTMX.

This tool does play very nicely with Django's templating engine; you can just have HTMX re-render a particular template block on the server, and send down that updated block. The migration path is quite clean; you just wrap your "HTMX-updated" template block in a `hx-post` div.

Having not gone too deep on HTMX, I'm interested in folks' thoughts on where it's lacking vs. LiveView and Hotwire. One area I can see is performance; Elixir is going to be faster than Django, and so if you're trying to handle high session counts over websockets. But the impression I get is that HTMX is a bit more light-weight, so I'm wondering if there's usecases that can't be met with it vs. LiveView.

Other Django libraries that haven't quite seen as much uptake:

We have https://github.com/edelvalle/reactor, and a port of Hotwire: https://github.com/hotwire-django but both of these don't seem to have much adoption (yet!).

Thank you for posting those, I wanted to post them but I don't comment often (). Wanted to chip in another contemporary: edelvalle/reactor, which is inspired by LiveView[0].

[0]: https://github.com/edelvalle/reactor

I am using Hotwire for a project, and I'm learning Elixir and Phoenix on the side. Finding edelvalle/reactor was immediately helpful to me though, because I cut my teeth on Python/Django, so reading a Python reference implementation helps me learn nuts and bolts of libraries, faster. (so, I figure that this might help someone else grok how these approaches work.)

If this sounds like a barebones version of notable frameworks like Elixir's Phoenix LiveView, Rails's StimulusReflex or Hotwire Turbo, PHP's LiveWire, Django's Reactor... well, you're right! (Bonus: my colleague @jgaskins built a LiveView clone for Crystal)

Reactor

Reactor is a LiveView library for Django. It enables you to do something similar to Phoenix LiveView using Django Channels.

It looks a bit similar to Elixir Live View. Or similar in Django https://github.com/edelvalle/reactor, there are a couple of libraries.

Django does: https://github.com/edelvalle/reactor

morphdom

And sure enough, it works! So what's going on here? Well, clicking the link invokes our reflex, which gets executed right before our current controller action runs again. It allows us to execute any kind of server-side logic, as well as play with the DOM in various ways, but with ruby code. Then, the DOM gets morphed over the wire.

It's super simple actually. And that is in large part to (Morphdom)[https://github.com/patrick-steele-idem/morphdom] which I'm using to compare the output of render() to what is already on the DOM. Morphdom will patch the differences.

I'm using morphdom to patch our DOM. Its a very simple library that compares two DOM elements and updates only the differences. It is extremely performant and does not even use a Virtual DOM, just the DOM you already have!

using HTML-diffing libraries like morphdom to efficiently update elements on the page

no it actually looks like morphdom is what i'm looking for.

It tries to morph into existing DOM (with https://github.com/patrick-steele-idem/morphdom). In case of fail, there is fallback to HTML replacement with outerHTML. All DOM operations after action occurs on component level, not the whole page.

Today, we’re going to build a live search experience once more. This time with StimulusReflex, a “new way to craft modern, reactive web interface with Ruby on Rails”. StimulusReflex relies on WebSockets to pass events from the browser to Rails, and back again, and uses morphdom to make efficient updates on the client-side.

Whenever the JavaScript on the browser-side receives new HTML, it will update the current page using a DOM-diff approach (using morphdom). So only DOM nodes that have actually changed between the initial page load and the updated HTML will be updated.

Updating the DOM is not slow. In fact, there are libraries and frameworks that emphatically reject the virtual dom approach. morphdom is one such example of a DOM modification library. Svelte's author Rich Harris has been proclaiming for a while that virtual dom is an overhead (see e.g. this article). Google's lit-html and lit-element do much of what react does without the virtual dom.