quinn VS base-drafts

Since it lives on top of UDP, I believe all you need is SOCK_DGRAM, right? The rest of QUIC can be in a userspace library ergonomically designed for your programming language e.g. https://github.com/quinn-rs/quinn - and can interoperate with others who have made different choices.

Alternately, if you need even higher performance, DPDK gives the abstractions you'd need; see e.g. https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3565477.3569154 on performance characteristics.

> Making things thread safe for runtime-agnostic utilities like WebSocket is yet another price we pay for making everything multi-threaded by default. The standard way of doing what I'm doing in my code above would be to spawn one of the loops on a separate background task, which could land on a separate thread, meaning we must do all that synchronization to manage reading and writing to a socket from different threads for no good reason.

Why so? Libraries like quinn[1] define "no IO" crate to define runtime-agnostic protocol implementation. In this way we won't suffer by forcing ourselves using synchronization primitives.

Also, IMO it's relatively easy to use Send-bounded future in non-Send(i.o.w. single-threaded) runtime environment, but it's almost impossible to do opposite. Ecosystem users can freely use single threaded async runtime, but ecosystem providers should not. If you want every users to only use single threaded runtime, it's a major loss for the Rust ecosystem.

Typechecked Send/Sync bounds are one of the holy grails that Rust provides. Albeit it's overkill to use multithreaded async runtimes for most users, we should not abandon them because it opens an opportunity for high-end users who might seek Rust for their high-performance backends.

[1]: https://github.com/quinn-rs/quinn

quicssh-rs is quicssh rust implementation. It is based on quinn and tokio

Regarding Quinn, I had a blast this week resurrecting an old PR. Looking forward to the next!

By studying u/djcu/hachyderm.io (and others!) excellent work in Quinn, doing a sans I/O implementation of QUIC https://github.com/quinn-rs/quinn we have a way forward.

QUIC isn't web/wasm-compatible because of https://github.com/quinn-rs/quinn/issues/1388, so durian wouldn't either since it's built on top of it.

Quinn, as in the implementation of QUIC? https://github.com/quinn-rs/quinn

You are right, I am planning to switch the transport to UDP + quic using the awesome QUINN library, https://github.com/quinn-rs/quinn .

Hi, I am new to the community, I just started learning rust and created a secure UDP tunnel based on the Quinn library, thanks to Quinn, I didn't need to go into the detail of the QUIC protocol and quickly created a UDP tunnel, and thanks to the BBR congestion control algorithm it uses, the tunnel performs quite well with lousy and long fat network, I didn't do any benchmark, but it performs a lot better (higher throughput with LFN) than most of other TCP tunnel implementations I used before.

QUIC is a step backwards here; it has no multipath support: https://lwn.net/Articles/964377/

Multipath: There are several areas where TCP still has an advantage over QUIC. One of those is multipath support. Multipath TCP connections can send data on different network paths simultaneously — for example, sending via both WiFi and cellular data — to provide better throughput than either path permits individually.

Server connection migration is explicitly forbidden by QUIC:

https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2031

https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/253

TL;DR just like HTTP/2, we wanted to avoid friction in deploying these protocols. Having to rewrite URLs because of new schemes is pretty unpalatable, it has major impact. Instead, HTTP/3 can rely on other IETF-defined mechanisms like Alt-Svc (RFC 7838) and the more recent SVCB / HTTPS RR [1] DNS-based methods. The latter has been deployed on Cloudflare a while [2] and supported in Firefox. Other user agents have also expressed interest or intent to support it.

The net outcome is that developers can by and large focus on HTTP semantics, and let something a little further down the stack worry more about versions. Sometime devs will need to peek into that area, but not the majority.

[1] - https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-...

After lots of hard work, we're excited to open-source [s2n-quic](https://github.com/aws/s2n-quic), a Rust implementation of the [IETF QUIC protocol](https://quicwg.org/). Feel free to ask any questions here in the comments or by [opening an issue](https://github.com/aws/s2n-quic/issues/new/choose). Thanks!

Maybe check out laminar and quinn, which implement custom protocols on top of UDP (quinn implements QUIC), to get an idea on how to do things.

IETF work is conducted mostly on email lists, hence the "many thousands of emails".

For some newer work like QUIC, GitHub is used to maintain a more to-the-minute shared view of the documents, and then again as mentioned in the text you quoted, GitHub Issues and PRs are used to manage the document, particularly by the most active participants.

https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts - of course raising issues or PRs for them now won't do anything useful for you, because these RFCs were published. But you can see there were thousands of commits, one of the last being Martin Thompson's minor typographical tweaks summarised as "DOES IT NEVER END?!?".