qtile VS xpra

Btw. if you're installing from pip anyway, I HIGHLY recommend using git master's version (pip install git+https://github.com/qtile/qtile). It's very stable and it contains a lot of improvements, features and - mostly important - bug fixes, especially because the fact that the last 0.22.1 release is almost one year old. The current master works fine with xcffib 1.4 and cairocffi 1.6 (the newest possible versions).

Yes, all the dependencies listed in qtile.org are installed.

I think yesterday qtile.org itself seemed to be working properly. Now it is also offline.

Did you see the changelog? https://github.com/qtile/qtile/blob/master/CHANGELOG

You need to have xcffib in version 1.3.0 and you probably have 1.4.0. You also need cairocffi 1.5.1 and you probably have 1.6.0, so it will fail as the next step. Install correct versions or wait until https://github.com/qtile/qtile/pull/4289 is merged.

Meanwhile users can still communicate and ask questions in the official Github discussion board: https://github.com/qtile/qtile/discussions or alternatively in IRC irc://irc.oftc.net:6667/qtile during the blackout time period.

Hello 👋, I use Gnome for my ThinkPad it works nice for me. But giving your ram I would suggest a window manager like Qtile which I prefer and I am about move from Gnome to it when I finish my configurations. But if you want something which will be usable out of the box Xfce is a nice choice too as people mentioned above. 😁😁 Here is the link to GitHub for Qtile if you want to give it a glance https://github.com/qtile/qtile

It's currently not supported on Wayland. There is an open issue for it: https://github.com/qtile/qtile/issues/4225

FWIW I had decent success with Xpra on Linux, and it's still being actively developed, e.g. the HTML5 client is considered stable now: https://github.com/Xpra-org/xpra/

I use xpra for similar purposes (https://github.com/Xpra-org/xpra/)

> Xpra is known as "screen for X" : its seamless mode allows you to run X11 programs, usually on a remote host, direct their display to your local machine, and then to disconnect from these programs and reconnect from the same or another machine(s), without losing any state. Effectively giving you remote access to individual graphical applications. It can also be used to access existing desktop sessions and start remote desktop sessions.

I want to move to the "future", but I use several firefox profiles via xpra in combination with xdotool based hotkeys. The fluidity with which I can control my different profile windows without a mouse and with which I can switch between computers with no lag with this setup is a big reason why I have stuck with a Linux desktop, so I am sad to see those super powers go away for no perceived benefit. I have tried Wayland several times now and don't notice any performance differences, just more bugs in Wayland.

`xdotool search` seems like it has been deemed a security issue for reasons I can't understand (if someone has hacked in to the point that they can even run such query commands, surely I'm already pwn'd). Maybe I'm oversimplifying it, but to me it's like being upset that someone who broke into your house can see the color of your curtains. The powerful feature set of X far outweighs these minor security concerns.

And it looks like xpra is facing huge issues switching over https://github.com/Xpra-org/xpra/issues/387 :(, I have yet to be as satisfied with any other free remote desktop software (paid nomachine is close but less scriptable).

I hope these aren't fundamental limitations of wayland, but the challenges seem steep.

They all operate(d) their GPUs just fine. I'm a heavy user of VirtualGL + XPRA for remote graphics usage, which is a constant factor in my life and work. When they're not doing graphics of some sort, they're hunting pulsars in a GPU-centric compute mode.

I've long been a huge fan of Xpra https://github.com/Xpra-org/xpra , both because of its "screen for X" original focus (though now it supports shadowing an existing session).

There was NoMachine / nx / freenx but it always seemed to be a weird animal to me, requiring installation as a separate unix user, at least at the time.

One of my favorite bits of software is Xpra [0], "screen for X". You'd run it and it would start another X server (start apps in it with `DISPLAY=:1 xterm` or whatever), and you would "attach" it to your running X server with `xpra attach`.

You can attach to e.g. `ssh://hostname/:1`, so I ran a firefox instance on a homelab server and attached to it from my laptop and my desktop to not have to bother keeping bookmarks, tabs etc in sync.

[0] https://xpra.org/

I’ve used Xpra in the past to connect to a remote system for GUI stuff, but I almost exclusively use ssh because most of the time I don’t need to run a remote windowing system.

To add to this if you need to access graphical applications of an entire desktop environment you can use Xpra or MOONLIGHT (I suggest the second one if you want to game on the remote desktop or need very low latency in general), you can use both of these through a ssh tunnel (you need to enable this and X forwarding in the config) so if you setup and allow access to ssh correctly you can also use these without too much of a hassle.

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