promscale VS VictoriaMetrics

Now that Promscale has been deprecated, what are the other ideal means of self-hosted long term Prometheus storage?

Oh wow, I browsed the project just a few weeks ago, didn't see it then. I see the deprecation is recent (https://github.com/timescale/promscale/issues/1836)

They say:

> if you want to have a seamless experience between metrics and traces, then current experience of stitching together Prometheus & Jaeger is not great.

But I wonder if using Promscale https://github.com/timescale/promscale would make Prometheus & Jaeger not such a big problem as SigNoz imply.

Promscale readme:

> Promscale is a unified metric and trace observability backend for Prometheus, Jaeger and OpenTelemetry built on PostgreSQL and TimescaleDB.

Either way, SigNoz seems interesting indeed. And am glad to see that SigNoz supports OpenTelemetry.

Hi! So the team is over 100 at this point, but engineering effort is spread across multiple products at this point.

The core timescaledb repo [0] has 10-15 primary engineers (although we are aggressively hiring for database internal engineers), with a few others working on DB hyperfunctions and our function pipelining [1] in a separate extension [2]. I think generally the set of folks who contribute to low-level database internals in C is just smaller than other type of projects.

We also have our promscale product [3], which is our observability backend powered by SQL & TimescaleDB.

And then there is Timescale Cloud, which is obviously a large engineering effort (most of which does not happen in public repos).

And we are hiring. Fully remote & global.

https://www.timescale.com/careers

[0] https://github.com/timescale/timescaledb

[1] https://www.timescale.com/blog/function-pipelines-building-f...

[2] https://github.com/timescale/timescaledb-toolkit

[3] https://github.com/timescale/promscale ; https://github.com/timescale/tobs

Promscale is a connector for Prometheus, one of the leading open-source monitoring solutions. Promscale is developed by Timescale, a time series database with full compatibility to Postgres. Since logs are time series events, Timescale developed Promscale to ingest events from Prometheus and make them available in SQL. You can install Promscale in numerous ways.

In case it helps, Promscale (from Timescale) offers long-term storage for Prometheus data and supports both PromQL and SQL queries. Here's the project page: https://www.timescale.com/promscale/ and the repo is here https://github.com/timescale/promscale It also support OpenTelemetry tracing if that's of interest.

At first, let's give the definition of `time series`. This is a series of (timestamp, value) pairs ordered by timestamp. The `value` may contain arbitrary data - a floating-point value, a text, a json, a data structure with many columns, etc. Each time series is uniquely identified by its name plus an optional set of {label="value"} labels. For example, temperature{city="London",country="UK"} or log_stream{host="foobar",datacenter="abc",app="nginx"}.

ClickHouse is perfectly optimized for storing and querying of such time series, including metrics. That's true that ClickHouse isn't optimized for handling millions of tiny inserts per second. It prefers infrequent batches with big number of rows per each batch. But this isn't the real problem in practice, because:

1) ClickHouse provides Buffer table engine for frequent inserts.

2) It is easy to create a special proxy app or library for data buffering before sending it to ClickHouse.

TimescaleDB provides Promscale [1] - a service, which allows using TimescaleDB as a storage backend for Prometheus. Unfortunately, it doesn't show outstanding performance comparing to Prometheus itself and to other remote storage solutions for Prometheus. Promscale requires more disk space, disk IO, CPU and RAM according to production tests [2], [3].

[1] https://github.com/timescale/promscale

[2] https://abiosgaming.com/press/high-cardinality-aggregations/

[3] https://valyala.medium.com/promscale-vs-victoriametrics-reso...

Full disclosure: I'm CTO at VictoriaMetrics - competing solution for TimescaleDB. VictoriaMetrics is built on top of architecture ideas from ClickHouse.

Promscale + TimescaleDB

VictoriaMetrics CTO here.

The referred library is the official OpenTelemetry package for reading metrics in Go language [1] - more details are available at [2].

Note that we at VictoriaMetrics like the idea of unified observability standard like OpenTelemetry. The issue is in the current otel implementation. It is too bloated and very inefficient. This contradicts to our experience with observability cases, which need very optimized format for metrics' transfer in order to reduce costs on CPU and network traffic needed to transfer and process these metrics.

VictoriaMetrics continues investing in OpenTelemetry by providing integration docs [3] and improving the existing functionality for otel metrics' ingestion [4].

[1] https://github.com/open-telemetry/opentelemetry-proto-go

[2] https://github.com/VictoriaMetrics/VictoriaMetrics/pull/2570...

[3] https://docs.victoriametrics.com/guides/getting-started-with...

[4] https://github.com/VictoriaMetrics/VictoriaMetrics/issues/60...

Victoria Metrics

VictoriaMetrics is primarily a time-series database designed for efficiently storing and querying time-series data. It is often used as a back-end data store for time-series data generated by monitoring systems like Prometheus. VictoriaMetrics excels at handling large volumes of time-series data, offering efficient storage and query capabilities.

Not sure I follow since there are very competitive tools written in Go such as https://victoriametrics.com for an example in this space.

Did you try VictoriaMetrics [1] and vmagent [2]? It is a single self-contained binary without external dependencies. It requires relatively low amounts of CPU, RAM, disk space and disk IO, and it runs on ARM.

[1] https://github.com/VictoriaMetrics/VictoriaMetrics/

[2] https://docs.victoriametrics.com/vmagent.html

https://github.com/VictoriaMetrics/VictoriaMetrics#cardinali...

If I understanding correctly, it deal with high cardinality by dropping data, the operators need to monitor for this and adjust their data to lower the cardinality.

VictoriaMetrics

You shouldn't unless you want to use the new open source standard for telemetry. You won't benefit from simplicity or performance improvements. It would be quite the opposite. You can check what is the actual cost of open telemetry adoption here [0]

But if you ever decide to go this path - VictoriaMetrics supports OpenTelemetry protocol for metrics [1]

[0] https://github.com/VictoriaMetrics/VictoriaMetrics/pull/2570

[1] https://docs.victoriametrics.com/Single-server-VictoriaMetri...