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ponyc
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Found a language in development called Vale which claims to be the safest AOT compiled language in the World (Claims to beSafer than Rust)
And that last point is critical. If the language flatly can't represent some concepts it uses, they have to be implemented somewhere else. I had a similar discussion with a proponent for Pony once- the language itself is 100% safe, and fully dependent on C for its runtime and data structures. One of Rust's core strengths is being able to express unsafe concepts, meaning the unsafe code can expose a safe interface that accurately describes its requirements rather than an opaque C ABI. Vale doesn't seem to do that.
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The Rust I wanted had no future
"Exterior iteration. Iteration used to be by stack / non-escaping coroutines, which we also called "interior" iteration, as opposed to "exterior" iteration by pointer-like things that live in variables you advance. Such coroutines are now finally supported by LLVM (they weren't at the time) and are actually a fairly old and reliable mechanism for a linking-friendly, not-having-to-inline-tons-of-library-code abstraction for iteration. They're in, like, BLISS and Modula-2 and such. Really normal thing to have, early Rust had them, and they got ripped out for a bunch of reasons that, again, mostly just form "an argument I lost" rather than anything I disagree with today. I wish Rust still had them. Maybe someday it will!"
I remember that one. The change was shortly after I started fooling with Rust and was major. Major as in it broke all the code that I'd written to that point.
"Async/await. I wanted a standard green-thread runtime with growable stacks -- essentially just "coroutines that escape, when you need them too"."
I remember that one, too; it was one of the things that drew me to the language---I was imagining something more like Pony (https://www.ponylang.io/).
"The Rust I Wanted probably had no future, or at least not one anywhere near as good as The Rust We Got."
Almost certainly true. But The Rust We Got is A Better C++, which was never appealing to me because I never liked C++ anyway.
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Virtual Threads Arrive in JDK 21, Ushering a New Era of Concurrency
The love child of Erlang and Rust exists already: Pony.
It really is the best of both languages... unfortunately, the main supporter of Pony seems to have stopped using it in favour of Rust though :D.
But if that's really what you want, Pony is your language. It definitely deserves more love.
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Why Turborepo is migrating from Go to Rust – Vercel
Until next shiny thing. Like Zig, or Pony. They have a very good points about migrating, but that is not one of them.
You can actually try to have a magic language which "does not ignore decades of PL research" but you are likely to get either something broken or a project that is likely not going to release in our lifetime.
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Show HN: Ractor – a Rust-based actor framework with clusters and supervisors
Never a bad time to plug Pony lang[1] - a safety-oriented actor-model language. In addition to the numerous safety guarantees, you also get a beautiful syntax and automatic memory management. Really a great language that often gets overshadowed by Rust's hype-turfing.
- Carl Hewitt has died [pdf]
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Pony Programming Language
There are a few, but you are right that they could be more accessible: https://github.com/ponylang/ponyc/tree/main/examples
(I had the same problem)
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Safely writing code that isn't thread-safe: An under-appreciated Rust feature
Are you sure that the project is dead? I see movement in the main repository and the last release dates to 9 days ago: https://github.com/ponylang/ponyc/releases/tag/0.52.1
Nim
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Top Paying Programming Technologies 2024
22. Nim - $80,000
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"14 Years of Go" by Rob Pike
I think the right answer to your question would be NimLang[0]. In reality, if you're seeking to use this in any enterprise context, you'd most likely want to select the subset of C++ that makes sense for you or just use C#.
- Odin Programming Language
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Ask HN: Interest in a Rust-Inspired Language Compiling to JavaScript?
I don't think it's a rust-inspired language, but since it has strong typing and compiles to javascript, did you give a look at nim [0] ?
For what it takes, I find the language very expressive without the verbosity in rust that reminds me java. And it is also very flexible.
[0] : https://nim-lang.org/
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Nim
FYI, on the front page, https://nim-lang.org, in large type you have this:
> Nim is a statically typed compiled systems programming language. It combines successful concepts from mature languages like Python, Ada and Modula.
Perhaps the Nim Github Wiki would be more to your liking? https://github.com/nim-lang/Nim/wiki
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Things I've learned about building CLI tools in Python
You better off with using a compiled language.
If you interested in a language that's compiled, fast, but as easy and pleasant as Python - I'd recommend you take a look at [Nim](https://nim-lang.org).
And to prove what Nim's capable of - here's a cool repo with 100+ cli apps someone wrote in Nim: [c-blake/bu](https://github.com/c-blake/bu)
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Mojo is now available on Mac
Chapel has at least several full-time developers at Cray/HPE and (I think) the US national labs, and has had some for almost two decades. That's much more than $100k.
Chapel is also just one of many other projects broadly interested in developing new programming languages for "high performance" programming. Out of that large field, Chapel is not especially related to the specific ideas or design goals of Mojo. Much more related are things like Codon (https://exaloop.io), and the metaprogramming models in Terra (https://terralang.org), Nim (https://nim-lang.org), and Zig (https://ziglang.org).
But Chapel is great! It has a lot of good ideas, especially for distributed-memory programming, which is its historical focus. It is more related to Legion (https://legion.stanford.edu, https://regent-lang.org), parallel & distributed Fortran, ZPL, etc.
- NIR: Nim Intermediate Representation
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Removing Garbage Collection from the Rust Language (2013)
20 milliseconds? On my 7 year old Linux box, this little Nim program https://github.com/c-blake/bu/blob/main/wsz.nim runs to completion in 275 microseconds when fully statically linked with musl libc on Linux. That's with a stripped environment (with `env -i`). It takes more like 318 microseconds with my usual 54 environment variables. The program only does about 17 system calls, though.
Additionally, https://github.com/c-blake/cligen makes decent CLI tools a real breeze. If you like some of Go's qualities but the language seems too limited, you might like Nim: https://nim-lang.org. I generally find getting good performance much less of a challenge with Nim, but Nim is undeniably less well known with a smaller ecosystem and less corporate backing.
What are some alternatives?
zig - General-purpose programming language and toolchain for maintaining robust, optimal, and reusable software.
go - The Go programming language
Odin - Odin Programming Language
rust - Empowering everyone to build reliable and efficient software.
crystal - The Crystal Programming Language
v - Simple, fast, safe, compiled language for developing maintainable software. Compiles itself in <1s with zero library dependencies. Supports automatic C => V translation. https://vlang.io
haxe - Haxe - The Cross-Platform Toolkit
nimskull - An in development statically typed systems programming language; with sustainability at its core. We, the community of users, maintain it.
node - Node.js JavaScript runtime ✨🐢🚀✨
julia - The Julia Programming Language
NumPy - The fundamental package for scientific computing with Python.
rust - Rust for the xtensa architecture. Built in targets for the ESP32 and ESP8266