paip-lisp VS awesome-cl

PAIP by Peter Norvig, Chapter 23, Compiling Lisp

https://github.com/norvig/paip-lisp/blob/main/docs/chapter23...

Sounds like a great project idea to make a toy demo of this direction you'd like to see. Maybe comparable to https://github.com/norvig/paip-lisp/blob/main/docs/chapter15... and https://github.com/norvig/paip-lisp/blob/main/docs/chapter8.... which are a few hundred lines of Lisp each, but do enough to be interesting.

You could look into Paradigms of AI Programming by Peter Norvig which might interest you regardless of Lisp content.

Origen: Conversación con Bing, 4/4/2023(1) gigamonkey/monkeylib-binary-data - GitHub. https://github.com/gigamonkey/monkeylib-binary-data Con acceso 4/4/2023. (2) paip-lisp/chapter4.md at main · norvig/paip-lisp · GitHub. https://github.com/norvig/paip-lisp/blob/main/docs/chapter4.md Con acceso 4/4/2023. (3) bibliography.md · GitHub. https://gist.github.com/gigamonkey/6151820 Con acceso 4/4/2023.

Worth mentioning it is on github with corrected code (I've already run into mistakes in the printed version) https://github.com/norvig/paip-lisp

Reading Peter Norvig's PAIP (https://github.com/norvig/paip-lisp) in 1998 totally blew my mind. It completely changed how I think about programming in every other language I use(d). I love it still, and always will. And yes, my experience is the same as yours: learning lisp made me a better programmer in every other language I use (especially -- but not only -- Python).

The simplicity and symmetry of the syntax is a big part of that love for me. Being able to manipulate lisp code as lisp data, using the full power of the language to do so, is just brilliant.

Janet looks lovely! Looking forward to the book.

PAIP has some chapters on this. Here is one: https://github.com/norvig/paip-lisp/blob/main/docs/chapter8.md

For Common Lisp, there are several free books available:

- Practical Common Lisp (aimed at people who know how to program in a more mainstream language already) [1]

- Paradigms in Artificial Intelligence Programming (my personal favorite) [2]

- Common Lisp: A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation (aimed at absolute beginners of programming) [3]

I highly recommend the r/lisp reddit community. Reddit as a platform has its issues, but the (Common) Lisp community there is very responsive and very helpful.

Lastly, you might be interested in checking out a game written entirely in Common Lisp, to be released imminently on Steam. It's called Kandria, and it's effectively 100% Lisp. [4]

[1] https://gigamonkeys.com/book/

[2] https://github.com/norvig/paip-lisp

[3] https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/

[4] https://store.steampowered.com/app/1261430/Kandria/

https://github.com/norvig/paip-lisp - Peter Norvig's Paradigm's of AI Programming

https://github.com/norvig/paip-lisp/search?l=Markdown&q=defm... - all references to defmacro in the markdown files

Chapter 3 shows a simple macro, just adding a while loop to the language.

Chapter 9 shows some more complex ones, including a with- macro and a grammar compiler macro.

Chapters 11 and 12 show the development of a Prolog implementation in CL using defmacro to aid in compilation again in Chapter 11.

Chapter 12 shows adding an OO system to the language. Technically not needed with CLOS, but a good demonstration of what can be done with macros.

There are other examples (why I included that search link). Macros let you change the language in ways large and small. Many uses could probably be replaced with functions, though you'd end up having to throw a bunch of quotes about or closures in order to delay processing things.

Hello, a single counter-example I hope https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/editor-support.ht...

(see more from https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl?tab=readme-ov-fil...

https://cl-community-spec.github.io/pages/index.html

and some more)

Everyone, if you don't have a clue on how's Common Lisp going these days, I suggest:

https://lisp-journey.gitlab.io/blog/these-years-in-common-li... (https://www.reddit.com/r/lisp/comments/107oejk/these_years_i...)

A curated list of libraries: https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl

Some companies, the ones we hear about: https://github.com/azzamsa/awesome-lisp-companies/

and oh, some more editors besides Emacs or Vim: https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/editor-support.ht... (Atom/Pulsar support is good, VSCode support less so, Jetbrains one getting good, Lem is a modern Emacsy built in CL, Jupyter notebooks, cl-repl for a terminal REPL, etc)

For package management, we have:

- Quicklisp, which is pretty handy, since we can install and use a library from the Lisp REPL, without restarting anything.

- Qlot, that installs dependencies locally, and allows to pin them (yeah you can't do that with QL, although cloning a lib and using it is easy).

- ocicl, a new package manager from the world of containers

- CLPM, another new one

- Roswell, if you really really want to install libraries from the terminal (although Qlot does it) or to install implementations, or software.

I bet the ecosystem is bigger than many think: https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl and anyone would be amazed by its stability.

check out the editor section, there's more than Emacs these days: https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/editor-support.ht...

- https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl for libraries

- https://www.classcentral.com/report/best-lisp-courses/#ancho...

- a recent overview of the ecosystem: https://lisp-journey.gitlab.io/blog/these-years-in-common-li... (shameless plug, on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34321090)

More HTML generators for CL: https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl#html-generators-a... there are lispy ones (Spinneret), Django-like ones (Djula, I like it, easy to use and extend), HTML-based allowing for inline Lisp code (Ten), JSX-like ones (lsx, markup), and more.

https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl is usually a good place to find recommendations. Jzon is pretty good.

> obstacles add up

I actually agree. It wasn't smooth for me to ship my first CL app. It's all better now (more tools, more documentation, more blog posts from several people, more SO questions and answers!).

> performant

SBCL is in the same ballpack of C, Rust or Java in many benchmarks.

In this article series, the author writes the same program in CL, Rust and Java. In fact, he copy-pastes a PG snippet from 30 years ago. This snippet beats Rust and Java in LOC and speed. But, yeah, he wasn't writing super efficient Rust code, so after many discussions, pull requests and sweating, the Rust code became the most performant. https://renato.athaydes.com/posts/revisiting-prechelt-paper-... It didn't take work to make the CL code performant, more so for the Rust one ;)

a benchmark after sb-simd vectorization: https://preview.redd.it/vn5juu36v2681.png?width=715&format=p... (https://www.reddit.com/r/Common_Lisp/comments/riedio/quite_a...)

> good tools for networking, for writing concurrent or asynchronous code, for graphics,

I refer the reader to https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl but yes, CL won't have the best libraries in some scenarii (GUI? Tk libs are good, we have Gtk4, a Qt5 library used in production© by a big player but difficult to install etc)

> it doesn't give you a good package manager or means of distributing code

Quicklisp is neat, with limitations, that can be addressed with Qlot, ql-https, or CLPM or the newest ocicl.

It's a good book!

Modern companions would be:

- the Cookbook: https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/ (check out the editors section: Atom/Pulsar, VSCode, Sublime, Jetbrains, Lem...)

- https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl to find libraries

Also:

- https://stevelosh.com/blog/2018/08/a-road-to-common-lisp/

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34321090 2022 in review

https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl#parallelism-and-c...

https://github.com/thezerobit/green-threads

> static strong typing

Alright, here is it: https://github.com/coalton-lang/coalton/

> small efficient native binaries

The numbers are: with SBCL's core-compression, a web app with dozens on dependencies will weight ±30 to 40MB. This includes the compiler, the debugger, etc. Without core compression, we reach ±150MB.

> The actor runtime?

the actor library: https://github.com/mdbergmann/cl-gserver

> couldn't find a way to make money with it. I suspect many other programmers are in my boat.

Alright. Some do, that's life. Yes, some companies go with CL even in 2023 (https://lisp-journey.gitlab.io/blog/lisp-interview-kina/, they released https://github.com/KinaKnowledge/juno-lang lately; Feetr (finance): https://twitter.com/feetr_io/status/1587182923911991303)

https://github.com/azzamsa/awesome-lisp-companies/

> Give us an HTTP (1.x & 2.0) and WebSockets libraries

How so? We have those libraries. HTTP/2: https://github.com/zellerin/http2/

https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl