org-parser VS doom-emacs

Let me start by saying I like the goal and would like to see org mode accessible to everyone, but I do have some thoughts/reservations.

> For the little code I do write, I find having AI assistance (via CoPilot or Cody) to be tremendously helpful. So helpful, in fact, that I now tend to jump into VSCode for actual coding,

Aren't there both copilot and Cody plugins available in emacs?

> Use VSCode for everything. For me, this requires a full-featured org mode implementation. I currently feel stuck in Emacs just because of how great org mode is.

This seems much more difficult than creating plugins you need in emacs and with the downside that customization will be much worse in vscode, especially customization of behavior with things like hooks.

> Letting go of bug-for-bug compatibility with Emacs as a goal. Let's let the quirky behavior die off and move forward with a more cohesive program, even if it looks a little bit different.

If you don't have compatibility, then you aren't really implementing org-mode... you are starting fresh.

That's okay, but you'll likely annoy org-mode users and developers as documents ending in `.org` start not working the same.

Also there are languages besides Rust and Haskell that have an org parser implementation. For instance one written in Javascript already has a spec as you explain it and is used in production for organice[0]:

> Why is this project useful / Rationale

> Org mode in Emacs is implemented in org-element.el (API documentation). The spec for the Org syntax is written in prose. - https://github.com/200ok-ch/org-parser

> Portable. It should not be difficult to get this integrated into any editor.

This tells me you already have a language in mind such as Lua (can't think of any other easy to integrate languages)? I'd argue that's not very popular either though.

0: https://organice.200ok.ch/

I mean , you have parsers for JS and CLJS https://github.com/200ok-ch/org-parser

I don't think you did. You probably used the sister project https://github.com/200ok-ch/org-parser which has a well known issue regarding what you are describing: https://github.com/200ok-ch/org-parser/issues/56

organice has no such performance issues (and does not run on the JVM). I use it daily with 5k LOC files.

EBNF grammar - https://github.com/200ok-ch/org-parser/blob/master/resources...

From the readme:

> Org grammar for tree-sitter. It is not meant to implement emacs' orgmode parser, but to implement a grammar that can usefully parse org files to be used in neovim and any library that uses tree-sitter parsers.

This grammar is in active development and is being used by nvim-orgmode/orgmode [1], a org-mode neovim plugin.

Some additional resources some might find useful:

* Org Syntax - https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-syntax.html

* EBNF grammar - https://github.com/200ok-ch/org-parser/blob/master/resources...

[1] https://github.com/nvim-orgmode/orgmode

There's at least a parser using that as a spec at https://github.com/200ok-ch/org-parser

We have an issue with more information and we are working on it: https://github.com/200ok-ch/org-parser/issues/56

If you’re open to use a different Lisp, then maybe https://github.com/200ok-ch/org-parser is something for you.

I just wanted to chime in and mention that the folks who wrote organice[0] also came up with an EBNF grammar[1] for org-mode. Also of tangential interest is that work is actively being done on creating a tree-sitter version[2] of the grammar, although that work is not public (yet).

[0] https://github.com/200ok-ch/organice

[1] https://github.com/200ok-ch/org-parser/blob/master/resources...

[2] https://github.com/kristijanhusak/orgmode.nvim/issues/31#iss...

$ rm -rf ~/.config/emacs # Remove the existing directory if necessary git clone --depth 1 https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs ~/.config/emacs ~/.config/emacs/bin/doom install

Sounds like what you want is emacs, but preconfigured. In that case, have you tried Doom Emacs, Spacemacs or any of the myriad of others like those?

darren@pop-os:~$ git clone --depth 1 https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs ~/.emacs.d Cloning into '/home/darren/.emacs.d'... remote: Enumerating objects: 1156, done. remote: Counting objects: 100% (1156/1156), done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (1042/1042), done. remote: Total 1156 (delta 85), reused 650 (delta 71), pack-reused 0 Receiving objects: 100% (1156/1156), 1.13 MiB | 7.29 MiB/s, done. Resolving deltas: 100% (85/85), done.

I used to do something like -{ nixosConfig, config, lib, pkgs, ... }: -let - xdgConfig = config.xdg.configHome; -in { - home.activation = { - foo = lib.hm.dag.entryAfter [ "writeBoundary" ] '' - doomdir="${xdgConfig}/doom"; - # $VERBOSE_ARG - if [ -d "$doomdir" ]; then - $DRY_RUN_CMD git -C "$doomdir" pull http master || true - else - # git clone and change url - http="https://git." - $DRY_RUN_CMD git clone "$http" "$doomdir" - # the new url needs ssh keys setup - git -C "$doomdir" remote add http "$http" - git -C "$doomdir" remote set-url origin "gitea@git." - fi - emacsdir="${xdgConfig}/emacs" - if [ -d "$emacsdir" ]; then - if [ -d "$emacsdir/.local" ]; then - $DRY_RUN_CMD $emacsdir/bin/doom sync - fi - else - $DRY_RUN_CMD git clone --depth 1 https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs "$emacsdir" - fi - ''; - }; -}

`;; Needed to add javascript-eslint to the the next-checker after lsp so that it would actually load, as that wasn’t happening by deafult ;; also needed to runit after the lsp-afer-initalize-hook because otherwise ‘lsp wasn’t a valid checker (add-hook ‘lsp-after-initialize-hook (lambda () (flycheck-add-next-checker ‘lsp ‘javascript-eslint))) ;; https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs/issues/1530 ;; Potential alternative to the above ;; (after! (:and lsp-mode flycheck) ;; (flycheck-add-next-checker ‘lsp ‘javascript-eslint))

The performance lag of Spacemacs was addressed by Doom Emacs ( https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs ). Have you tried Doom Emacs by any chance. After syncing everything, the performance is stellar in my opinion.

but I just realized, you're probably better off using doom emacs. The defaults are sane, customizations are almost always optional and the community's really active/helpful. (Disclaimer: I'm a doom emacs user with ~2k lines of config)

While Doom is more opinionated, it's not too difficult make Emacs your own, most of the choices are optimized anyway. Currently the head of Spacemacs devs is not active on the project anymore. Also I don't think it's hard to upstream code to Doom, as long as the code is thoroughly written, take a similar example on both sides: the introduction of a completion engine as layer/module (same packages are installed): - https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/pull/14901: 23 comments, 7 participants - https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs/pull/4664: 576 comments, 20 participants

Also Doom emacs has one. https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs/tree/master/modules/lang/common-lisp

Nowadays, I use https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs with WSL2 but only for org-mode. For code, I have either Sublime Text or VS Code.