oberon-riscv VS A2OS

Compare oberon-riscv vs A2OS and see what are their differences.

oberon-riscv

Oberon RISC-V port, based on Samuel Falvo's RISC-V compiler and Peter de Wachter's Project Norebo. Part of an academic project to evaluate Project Oberon on RISC-V. (by solbjorg)

A2OS

Unofficial mirror of the ETH A2 repository (by metacore)
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oberon-riscv A2OS
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oberon-riscv

Posts with mentions or reviews of oberon-riscv. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2022-02-25.
  • Project Oberon
    7 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 25 Feb 2022
    This project is still a great example of a complete computer design, starting from Niklaus Wirth's own RISC5 CPU (not a RISC-V) and very simple peripherals over the OS, runtime/garbage collector, compiler, GUI and simple example applications.

    One problem of the original implementation is that it was based on an old Xilinx Spartan 3 development board. This is not only no longer available, but it is one of the few FPGA boards that used 32 bit wide fast (12 ns IIRC) asynchronous SRAM chips. Wirth's hardware design relies heavily on this.

    Some years ago, there was a compatible board, the OberonStation. However, it seems this is no longer manufactures: https://pcper.com/2015/12/meet-the-oberonstation-kid-friendl...

    However, some modified designs exist that implement a cache in FPGA block RAM and an SDRAM controller. These can be used one more recent FPGA boards:

    - FleaFPGA "Ohm" board with a Lattice ECP5 FPGA and 32 MB RAM (https://fleasystems.com/fleaFPGA_Ohm.html) - https://github.com/Basman74/Oberon_SDRAM

    - Radiona ulx3s, another ECP5 in an open source design (https://github.com/emard/oberon) - https://github.com/emard/oberon

    - PapilioPro using a Xilinx Spartan 6 LX, another open source PCB design (https://papilio.cc/index.php?n=Papilio.PapilioPro) - https://opencores.org/projects/oberon_sdram

    Shameless plug: my student Rikke's port of Project Oberon to RV32I (this is a real RISC-V), however, we still need to find some time to build an FPGA-based SoC. Currently, it runs in emulation: https://github.com/solbjorg/oberon-riscv

  • New Oberon+ programming language with IDE and source-level debugger (Win, Mac, Linux)
    2 projects | /r/programming | 16 Jul 2021
    You might want to have a look at https://github.com/solbjorg/oberon-riscv.
  • Ultiboberon – Oberon on bare metal Raspberry Pi
    3 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 4 Apr 2021
    Thanks for the link!

    Adapting the Project Oberon compiler code generation isn't that difficult, but the devil is in the details :). My student Rikke described some of the challenges porting Project Oberon to RISC-V in her project report (https://github.com/solbjorg/oberon-riscv/blob/master/report....).

    I assume that the most time-consuming task to get Project Oberon to run on ARM/Raspberry Pi would be to write device drivers for more complex devices, e.g. USB and Ethernet. These could be written in Oberon (which would be a considerable effort) or possibly be abstracted by using a bare-metal hypervisor that supports VirtIO device abstractions, e.g. Vmware ESXI. This way, one would only have to implement VirtIO drivers in Oberon, which is considerably less complex.

    Connecting a PS/2 keyboard and mouse instead of USB might also be an alternative, since drivers for PS/2 are far less complex: http://www.deater.net/weave/vmwprod/hardware/pi-ps2/

  • Project Oberon 2013 on RISC-V
    1 project | /r/RISCV | 21 Dec 2020
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 21 Dec 2020

A2OS

Posts with mentions or reviews of A2OS. We have used some of these posts to build our list of alternatives and similar projects. The last one was on 2022-08-26.
  • Oberon: The tiniest but richest FOSS HLL and OS you've never heard of
    10 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 26 Aug 2022
    Because of pjmlp's hint I just looked into the repositories https://github.com/btreut/a2 and https://github.com/metacore/A2OS, but didn't find a coroutines module. I'm aware that Active Oberon (Patrik Reali, 2004) includes concurrency, but this is a different language than the one used for System 3.
  • Project Oberon
    7 projects | news.ycombinator.com | 25 Feb 2022
    The Oberon channel has several videos of Oberon in action,

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=The+Oberon+Chan...

    While Oberon was quite cool, people should also learn about its Xerox influence,

    "Eric Bier Demonstrates Cedar"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_dt7NG38V4

    Also dive into what happened afterwards, Oberon-2, Active Oberon, Zonnon,...

    Active Oberon could be considered quite modern, also makes the distinction between safe and unsafe pointers, which improves the experience for low level coding.

    https://github.com/metacore/A2OS

    One of the best things about these systems is proving what systems programming with automatic memory management were capable of.

    Given Oberon-2's influence on Go, maybe improving Fyne (https://fyne.io/fynedesk/) with something like gRPC for the dynamic experience, could be a possible sucessor.

  • Leveraging the Go Type System
    1 project | news.ycombinator.com | 9 Feb 2021
    A couple, you can start here to see how the Active Oberon based OS looked like,

    https://www.progtools.org/article.php?name=oberon§ion=co...

    Some links are broken now, because ETHZ no longer hosts the A2 site, however you can get the latest language report at http://cas.inf.ethz.ch/boards/2/topics/1

    And the source code and old documents for the original A2 OS at github, https://github.com/metacore/A2OS

What are some alternatives?

When comparing oberon-riscv and A2OS you can also consider the following projects:

Oberon - Oberon parser, code model & browser, compiler and IDE with debugger

a2 - Active Oberon System (AOS), aka A2, and Bluebottle OS